> On Nov 25, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Gilles Gouaillardet 
> <gilles.gouaillar...@iferc.org> wrote:
> 
> Ralph and Paul,
> 
> On 2014/11/26 10:37, Ralph Castain wrote:
>> So it looks like the issue isn’t so much with our code as it is with the OS 
>> stack, yes? We aren’t requiring that the loopback be “up”, but the stack is 
>> in order to establish the connection, even when we are trying a non-lo 
>> interface.
> this is correct (imho)
>> I can look into generating a faster timeout on the socket creation. In the 
>> trunk, we now use unix domain sockets instead of TCP to avoid such issues, 
>> but that won’t help with the 1.8 series.
> i was about to suggest this situation could have been avoided in the first 
> place by using unix domain sockets instead of TCP sockets :-)

There were some historical reasons for not doing so - mostly because it 
generally isn’t necessary on a cluster.

> 
> is a backport (since this is already available in the trunk/master) simply 
> out of the question ?

It would be against our normal procedures, but I can raise it at next week’s 
meeting.

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gilles
> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Paul Hargrove <phhargr...@lbl.gov> 
>>> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ralph,
>>> 
>>> I had a look at the problem via "mpirun -np 1 strace -o trace -ff ./hello"
>>> I find that there is an attempt (by a secondary thread) to establish a TCP 
>>> socket from the rank process to the eth0 address of localhost (I am 
>>> guessing to reach the orted/mpirun).
>>> However, when the "lo" interface is down, the Linux kernel apparently 
>>> cannot establish that socket.
>>> 
>>> In fact, if I am sufficiently patient, it turns out the "hang" is bounded, 
>>> and eventually one sees:
>>> 
>>> phargrov@blcr-armv7:~$ time mpirun -np 1 ./a.out
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> A process or daemon was unable to complete a TCP connection
>>> to another process:
>>>   Local host:    blcr-armv7
>>>   Remote host:   10.0.2.15
>>> This is usually caused by a firewall on the remote host. Please
>>> check that any firewall (e.g., iptables) has been disabled and
>>> try again.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> real    2m8.151s
>>> user    0m5.360s
>>> sys     0m57.430s
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where blcr-armv7 and 10.0.2.15 are *both* the local (only) host.
>>> 
>>> There is no firewall, but in case you doubt me on that, here is a 
>>> demonstration using ping to show that 10.0.2.15 is only reachable when the 
>>> loopback interface is enabled:
>>> 
>>> phargrov@blcr-armv7:~$ sudo ifconfig lo up
>>> phargrov@blcr-armv7:~$ ping -q -c2 10.0.2.15
>>> PING 10.0.2.15 (10.0.2.15) 56(84) bytes of data.
>>> 
>>> --- 10.0.2.15 ping statistics ---
>>> 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
>>> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.527/0.534/0.542/0.024 ms
>>> 
>>> 
>>> phargrov@blcr-armv7:~$ sudo ifconfig lo down
>>> phargrov@blcr-armv7:~$ ping -q -c2 10.0.2.15
>>> PING 10.0.2.15 (10.0.2.15) 56(84) bytes of data.
>>> 
>>> --- 10.0.2.15 ping statistics ---
>>> 2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1006ms
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, there is no "hang" -- just a 2 minute pause before the error message is 
>>> generated.
>>> However, it may still be possible to present a better/earlier error message 
>>> when there is no loopback interface (and at least one rank process is to be 
>>> launched locally).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Paul
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Ralph Castain <r...@open-mpi.org 
>>> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org> 
>>> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org>> wrote:
>>> I’ll have to look - there isn’t supposed to be such a requirement, and I 
>>> certainly haven’t seen it before.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Paul Hargrove <phhargr...@lbl.gov 
>>>> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov> 
>>>> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Allan,
>>>> 
>>>> I am glad things are working for you now.
>>>> I can confirm (on a QEMU-emulated Versatile Express A9 board running 
>>>> Ubuntu 14.04) that disabling the "lo" interface reproduces the problem.
>>>> I imagine this is true on other architectures, though I did not attempt to 
>>>> verify.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph,
>>>> 
>>>> If oob:tcp really does need the loopback interface, shouldn't its lack be 
>>>> something that could/should be detected and reported instead of hanging as 
>>>> Allan saw?
>>>> 
>>>> FWIW, neither of the following resolved the problem:
>>>>     -mca oob_tcp_if_exclude lo
>>>>     -mca oob_tcp_if_include eth0
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Paul
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Allan Wu <al...@cs.ucla.edu 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> I think I have found the problem. After inspecting the output with "-mca 
>>>> state_base_verbose 10 -mca odls_base_verbose 10 -mca oob_base_verbose 100" 
>>>> on both the old system and the new system, I noticed there is one line 
>>>> that is different: on the old system where it works correctly, there is a 
>>>> line that says: "oob:tcp:init rejecting loopback interface lo", while on 
>>>> the new system there is no such line. Both system proceed to open 
>>>> interface eth0 afterwards. Then I checked the new system, and found out 
>>>> that somehow the loopback interface is not up by default. After I opened 
>>>> the lo interface, the mpirun executes normally.
>>>> 
>>>> Does it means that OpenMPI will use lo for some initial setup? Since the 
>>>> actual socket was created on eth0 I did not think of checking the lo 
>>>> interface. Anyway, thanks everyone for all of your kind help. Let me know 
>>>> if you want me to provide any more information for future references. 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Allan
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Di Wu (Allan)
>>>> PhD student, VAST Laboratory <http://vast.cs.ucla.edu/> 
>>>> <http://vast.cs.ucla.edu/>,
>>>> Department of Computer Science, UC Los Angeles
>>>> Email: al...@cs.ucla.edu <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Allan Wu <al...@cs.ucla.edu 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Ralph!
>>>> 
>>>> I did not compile my openmpi with --enable-debug, and I am compiling it 
>>>> now. But your suggested command already provided some output, which I 
>>>> attached with this email. 
>>>> 
>>>> It seems the process was stuck on the line:
>>>> "[fpga2:00962] [[44848,1],0] waiting for connect completion to 
>>>> [[44848,0],0] - activating send event"
>>>> 
>>>> Then it got stuck and I CTRL+C'ed it. Previous to that line, it said 
>>>> something about 'orte_tcp_peer_try_connect: attempting to connect to proc 
>>>> [[44848,0],0] via interface eth0'.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Di
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Ralph Castain <r...@open-mpi.org 
>>>> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org> 
>>>> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org>> wrote:
>>>> This is all running on a single node, correct? If so, did you configure 
>>>> OMPI with —enable-debug? 
>>>> If you can do that, or already have, then let’s add the following to the 
>>>> mpirun cmd line: 
>>>> 
>>>> -mca state_base_verbose 10 -mca odls_base_verbose 10 -mca oob_base_verbose 
>>>> 10 
>>>> 
>>>> You’ll get a bunch of output, but hopefully it will tell us where mpirun 
>>>> is encountering a problem. 
>>>> Ralph 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Paul Hargrove <phhargr...@lbl.gov 
>>>> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov> 
>>>> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov>> wrote:
>>>> Allan,
>>>> 
>>>> If you send me the .config from your build of the kernel I can compare it 
>>>> against, for instance, my .config for a Raspberry Pi.
>>>> There will certainly be many differences, but I am hoping my own 
>>>> experience configuring linux kernels will help me filter the "noise" from 
>>>> any differences that might be significant.
>>>> 
>>>> -Paul
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Allan Wu <al...@cs.ucla.edu 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Paul! Unfortunately '/boot' is not available in my embedded linux, 
>>>> and I do not have the configuration file for the old kernel since it is 
>>>> provided as is. However, I have the new kernel configuration since I 
>>>> compiled it myself. Would it be helpful if I provide you the .config file 
>>>> when I compile the kernel? It maybe quite painful to look through that 
>>>> file though. Is there any other way that I can obtain the configuration? 
>>>> 
>>>> I checked my config for the new kernel, and UNIX-domain sockets and Sys V 
>>>> IPC are both enabled in the build. Are there any other possibilities I can 
>>>> check?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Di
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Di Wu (Allan)
>>>> PhD student, VAST Laboratory <http://vast.cs.ucla.edu/> 
>>>> <http://vast.cs.ucla.edu/>,
>>>> Department of Computer Science, UC Los Angeles
>>>> Email: al...@cs.ucla.edu <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Paul Hargrove <phhargr...@lbl.gov 
>>>> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov> 
>>>> <mailto:phhargr...@lbl.gov>> wrote:
>>>> Allan,
>>>> 
>>>> A likely possibility is that some important kernel feature (that Open MPI 
>>>> assumes is present) is missing.
>>>> That includes not only "kernel modules" as you mention, but also features 
>>>> configure in (or out) of the base kernel.
>>>> For instance, some embedded kernels omit UNIX-domain sockets and SysV IPC 
>>>> support.
>>>> 
>>>> If you can send me (preferably off-list) the kernel config files for the 
>>>> old an new kernels I may be able to spot something.
>>>> If present, you are looking for /boot/config-[VERSION]
>>>> 
>>>> -Paul
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Allan Wu <al...@cs.ucla.edu 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> I'm sorry I forgot to change the subject when I reply to the digest issue. 
>>>> Please find my original email below. 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Di
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Allan Wu <al...@cs.ucla.edu 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Ralph for the reply. Sorry about the log file, I think I forgot to 
>>>> put an extension to the file. Please find a new one attached with this 
>>>> email. 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sorry for not enough debugging information, but 'omp_info' and 
>>>> '--debug-devel' are the only ways I know for collecting information, are 
>>>> there any other things I can try to provide more info?
>>>> 
>>>> When I execute 'mpirun --debug-devel -np 1 ./helloworld', all the output 
>>>> is the logging information in my last email. It got stuck at  
>>>> "[fpga1:00718] tmp: /tmp", and nothing from my helloworld program is 
>>>> printed out to the screen. So I think it is mpirun failing to start my 
>>>> executable, not failing to terminate.
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering if this has anything to do with my newer kernel version, 
>>>> since it works well in the old case. 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> --
>>>> Di Wu (Allan)
>>>> PhD student, VAST Laboratory <http://vast.cs.ucla.edu/> 
>>>> <http://vast.cs.ucla.edu/>,
>>>> Department of Computer Science, UC Los Angeles
>>>> Email: al...@cs.ucla.edu <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:29:51 -0800
>>>> From: Ralph Castain <r...@open-mpi.org <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org> 
>>>> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org>>
>>>> To: Open MPI Developers <de...@open-mpi.org <mailto:de...@open-mpi.org> 
>>>> <mailto:de...@open-mpi.org> <mailto:de...@open-mpi.org>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [OMPI devel] OpenMPI v1.8 and v1.8.3 mpirun hangs at
>>>>         execution       on an embedded ARM Linux kernel version 3.15.0
>>>> Message-ID: <898cb117-f6a6-4569-89c3-49b75d65b...@open-mpi.org 
>>>> <mailto:898cb117-f6a6-4569-89c3-49b75d65b...@open-mpi.org> 
>>>> <mailto:898cb117-f6a6-4569-89c3-49b75d65b...@open-mpi.org> 
>>>> <mailto:898cb117-f6a6-4569-89c3-49b75d65b...@open-mpi.org>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> I don?t know what you put in that log file, but it was an executable and 
>>>> I?m not feeling that trusting :-)
>>>> 
>>>> I?m afraid there isn?t enough debug output there to really tell anything. 
>>>> From what little I can see, I?m guessing that the application ran fine and 
>>>> you got the usual ?hello? output and the helloworld process exited safely 
>>>> - is that correct? And so it is solely mpirun that is failing to cleanly 
>>>> terminate?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Allan Wu <al...@cs.ucla.edu 
>>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu> 
>>>>> <mailto:al...@cs.ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have cross-compiled OpenMPI for an embedded ARM Linux. Everything works 
>>>>> fine for my system based on Linux 3.8.0. I have previously submitted a 
>>>>> post related to my compilation, which can be found here: 
>>>>> http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php 
>>>>> <http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php> 
>>>>> <http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php> 
>>>>> <http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php> 
>>>>> <http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php 
>>>>> <http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php> 
>>>>> <http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php> 
>>>>> <http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2014/04/14440.php>>. When 
>>>>> I recently upgraded my Linux kernel to 3.15.0, mpirun begins to stuck 
>>>>>  at even
>>>>>  the helloworld program. The program consists only simple APIs: MPI_Init, 
>>>>> MPI_Comm_size, MPI_Comm_rank, MPI_Finalize. The problem occurs even at 
>>>>> 'mpirun -np 1 ./helloworld', and below are the output with --debug-devel 
>>>>> (before it got stuck):
>>>>> [fpga1:00716] sess_dir_finalize: job session dir not empty - leaving
>>>>> [fpga1:00716] procdir: /tmp/openmpi-sessions-root@fpga1_0/63813/0/0
>>>>> [fpga1:00716] jobdir: /tmp/openmpi-sessions-root@fpga1_0/63813/0
>>>>> [fpga1:00716] top: openmpi-sessions-root@fpga1_0
>>>>> [fpga1:00716] tmp: /tmp
>>>>> [fpga1:00718] procdir: /tmp/openmpi-sessions-root@fpga1_0/63813/1/0
>>>>> [fpga1:00718] jobdir: /tmp/openmpi-sessions-root@fpga1_0/63813/1
>>>>> [fpga1:00718] top: openmpi-sessions-root@fpga1_0
>>>>> [fpga1:00718] tmp: /tmp
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suspect maybe it is due to incompatible kernel version or some missing 
>>>>> kernel modules. I tried also with the latest version 1.8.3, and had the 
>>>>> same problem. Does anyone have any thoughts? I have attached the output 
>>>>> of 'ompi-info --all' with this email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please let me know if I need to provide more information. Thanks in 
>>>>> advance!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Di Wu (Allan)
>>>>> PhD student, VAST?Laboratory <http://vast.cs.ucla.edu/ 
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