Yo Eric! On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 17:36:27 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gary E. Miller <[email protected]>: > > > That's good enough that we can *and should* ignore all the > > > technical complexities of fudging and log interpretation. We are > > > *not addressing time nuts* here. We could do half an order of > > > magnitude worse than this and still be good enough for a beginner > > > audience - in fact we'd still be good enough to drive production > > > WAN time service to RFC 5905 expectations or better. > > > > Not without PPS and only NMEA, unless the NMEA offset is right. > > The premise for this HOWTO is exactly that me have 1PPS most of the > time. Othwise there's no point in trying to build a Stratum 1 out of > these parts at all. Agreed. No issue there. But ntpd as it stands now can still misundertand good PPS when faced with marginal NMEA and lead to bad results. > > And sometimes even with PPS. I have seen ntpd stop using the PPS > > and follow the NMEA off into the weeds. > > Bug. Needs fixing. Yup. Exactly my point. > > Not just me. chronyd market share keeps growing because people > > keep recommending it over ntpd's. Convergence is a huge deal on > > a laptop. > > Fair enough, but *not now*, dammit! The challenge of the HOWTO is to > ship something simple and basic that will help newbies get a foothold > in the problem domain. I'm with you there, I just fail to see why turning on logging is in conflict with that? > And chronyd doesn't bother me. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. And we can learn from what they do right. > > You need to step back and think of this as more than just an NTP > > chimer. This is critical drones and other embedded devices. > > Later, man, *later*. (Not much later. Couple months, maybe less.) Fine, and if you start logging now, you'll have the data you need then. > Right now you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. No, I'm just do not want us to stick our heads in the sand, saying 'la-la-la' because logging is not on. > > Then humor me. Can you just try to look at the logs for once? How > > do you know it is not valuable when you refuse to look? > > I'm sure it *is* valuable and I'm not refusing to look, I'm *refusing > to inflict that level of detail on newbies*. Tuning on logging is a done deal, just make it the default. > As soon as I have some > clue how to make the visualization tools work, I'll look, I promise. So, you got your logging on now? Otherwise you have missed my point. RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 [email protected] Tel:+1 541 382 8588
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