----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]> > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <[email protected]>, "Itamar Heim" <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:51:31 PM > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <[email protected]> > > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]>, "Itamar Heim" > > <[email protected]>, [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:36:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <[email protected]> > > > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <[email protected]> > > > Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]>, "Itamar Heim" > > > <[email protected]>, [email protected] > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:33:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]>, "Itamar Heim" > > > > <[email protected]>, [email protected] > > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 4:20:19 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]> > > > > > Cc: "Itamar Heim" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Alon Bar-Lev" > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 8:39:54 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: "Itamar Heim" <[email protected]> > > > > > > Cc: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:39:31 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Itamar Heim" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]>, "Yevgeny Zaspitsky" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Cc: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 12:25:52 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/21/2014 09:55 AM, Yair Zaslavsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >> From: "Yevgeny Zaspitsky" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> Cc: "Moti Asayag" <[email protected]>, "Allon Mureinik" > > > > > > > >> <[email protected]>, [email protected] > > > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:35:33 PM > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On 21/08/14 12:08, Yair Zaslavsky wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >>>> From: "Yevgeny Zaspitsky" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >>>> To: "Moti Asayag" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >>>> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <[email protected]>, "Allon Mureinik" > > > > > > > >>>> <[email protected]>, [email protected] > > > > > > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:26:40 AM > > > > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] [ENGINE] thoughts about LinqUtils > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> It seems like we can try moving to common-collections4. Yum > > > > > > > >>>> on > > > > > > > >>>> my > > > > > > > >>>> Fedora20 > > > > > > > >>>> computer finds apache-commons-collections4 package. > > > > > > > >>>> Fortunately > > > > > > > >>>> somebody > > > > > > > >>>> packed the jar into for a rpm for us. :-) > > > > > > > >>> What about RHEL 6.5? Can you please run a quick check? > > > > > > > >> Unfortunately my happiness was too hasty. Only Fedora people > > > > > > > >> care > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > >> in the forward of the technology... The RHEL ones do not care > > > > > > > >> about > > > > > > > >> that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what I remembered. When you responded to the email for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > time , I had a strong deja vu that you tried addressing this > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > yourself in the past (commons-collectios4) - due to different > > > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there a specific conflict or problem (or a huge chain of > > > > > > > dependencies) > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > To me it seems the answer to both is no - > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the requirement list - > > > > > > > > > > > > java >= 1.5 > > > > > > jpackage-utils > > > > > > rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 > > > > > > rpmlib(FileDigests) <= 4.6.0-1 > > > > > > rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 > > > > > > rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) <= 5.2-1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably a matter of packaging? > > > > > > > > > > IIRC, Alon was the one who replied, and the issue was that Jboss > > > > > included > > > > > an > > > > > old version (and we don't have classpath isolation, I guess) > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would like to avoid maintaining and package components that are not > > > > provider either by el6 or jboss distribution. > > > > > > > > But based on other threads, it seems that I am the only one who > > > > remained > > > > trying to push compliance to the old ways, people feel that can > > > > maintain > > > > anything anywhere with no effort. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Alon > > Alon, I disagree with your comment (about the "you're the only one" part :) )
+1 We have three (four if you include PatternFly) ongoing threads about dependency issues at the moment, and I hope we all realize that Alon is trying to do what's best for our project. I certainly empathize with him. He has a tough role, and there are a lot of us young'uns who want 'shiny new things' brought into the project. I certainly don't have the experience to know about all the long term costs of bringing in dependencies into an enterprise project like this -- but I'm learning :) > As I wrote - I had a strong deja-vu about that the issue was already brought > up. > Now that you reminded , I don't think you're the only person who feels this > way. > I would also like to understand more what it means before jumping to > conclusions and upgrading to collections4. > At past I had some issues with another commons project > (commons-configuration) that had different versions upstream and downstream. I think collections4 is a nonstarter because it's not packaged for EL, IIUC. > I am sure the changes include not just > "move to generics" and should carefully be considered. > > > > > > > > > > > If I may clarify, there would be at least two stipulations for > > > introducing > > > collections4. > > > > > > 1. someone else packages it and maintains it, available in Fedora and EL, > > > long term. Quality package. > > > > this is what missing, us maintaining a new package just to have more > > beautiful code is something that can be deferred for now. > > > > > 2. JBoss has proper classloader isolation so that, even though JBoss uses > > > collections3, a webapp can use collections4. > > > > should not be a problem to use both. > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer to either question :) > > > > > > Seems like minimal gain to me, though. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
