Yeah, for sure. You're right. I only joined a party like a year and a half ago. I could never get any info at all. I found I had to join a party-that I agreed with its vision the most-to find anything out about politics or democracy.
On 10 April 2010 17:09, Abdul Hai <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Irene. > > What I was getting at was that it is easier for party members to know as > the party has their details and is in contact with them rather then what > happens in a primary for the Conservative Party where local people are asked > to attend a huskings with no other information unless they can find out > something from Iain Dale or something. > > Support solar power in the developing world. > http://www.everyclick.com/solaraid <http://www.everyclick.com/> > http://www.solar-aid.org/ > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Irene Rukerebuka <[email protected]> > > *To:* "mySociety public, general purpose discussion list" < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Sat, 10 April, 2010 16:37:16 > > *Subject:* Re: [mySociety:public] Conservative Primaries > > I am with the Lib Dems and you're right Abdul, only members can vote. It is > a transparent process and we know quite a bit about the candidate but that > could just be my area-which actually is a poor Lib D area and like 98% Tory. > > The selection process starts pretty much right after the general election > give or take. We've been sent emails about starting up again. > > But I think it is different for all parties. I do know that with Labour, > speaking to some different people in various positions that it's that they > tend to already know who will stand where because there is such a huge > waiting list anyhow. > > Not sure about the Greens. Re the Jury party-independents-it is continous. > I have a friend who is looking to stand and they pretty much set up their > own campaign and way. > > Not sure about UKIP or BNP! But could probably find out... > > I agree Francis about your concept though and like it. I do find having > played with the online game to get the PPC details, that a phone call would > be much better to get hold of any of these details. MP's are too protected > by their parties and shielded and all you get is lip service. > > On 10 April 2010 16:11, Francis Irving <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 01:28:14PM +0000, Abdul Hai wrote: >> > I agree with to a certain extent Francis but I think it should be >> > more of an information site rather than a campaigning one. >> > >> > It should be a new site and maybe you could run a test during the >> > next by election to get it ready for the next general election. >> >> Candidate selection can be ongoing throughout the period between >> General Elections. At least, I know selections were happening a couple >> of years ago. >> >> Anyone know, how soon after an Election do parties start to select >> candidates for the next election for any seats? >> >> > I am not a member of any party as once I used to work in a >> > politically sensitive job so I don't take part in local parties but >> > I could be wrong my understanding is that with the Liberal Democrats >> > and Labour parties that it is the members who vote and they are >> > likely to be more knowledgeable but with the Conservatives it is >> > anyone who is eligible can vote. >> > >> > I was unable to attend the last primary but the information on the >> > candidates was lacking and the vast majority of people who attended >> > were not members of the party so they had no time to gather any >> > information. >> >> Right! It is a very invisible, unscrutinised process. >> >> Francis >> >> > ________________________________ From: Francis Irving >> > <[email protected]> To: "mySociety public, general purpose >> > discussion list" <[email protected]> Cc: - >> > <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 10 April, 2010 13:07:54 >> > Subject: Re: [mySociety:public] Conservative Primaries >> > >> > Great idea Abdul. Julian Todd has been saying similar things, and we >> > reckon something like the following would fit the bill: >> > >> > After the Election, I would like somebody (it would fit well with >> > YourNextMP or DemocracyClub, or could be a new project) to track >> > candidate selection for all parties on an ongoing basis. >> > >> > The site would feature: >> > >> > * A page for each local party, with information about how it selects >> > candidates, who is up for nomination, what stage it is at, who has >> > been selected, deselected etc. >> > >> > * All the data obviously structured, with history etc. Would have to >> > be user submitted data (YourNextMP style). If there are any votes, >> > how many people voted which way, how many attended the meeting etc. >> > >> > * Email alerts to give you updates about parties in your >> > constituency, e.g. when there are public selection meetings, or when >> > it might be worth joining a party in order to influence selection. >> > >> > * A way of sharing information about people running to be PPCs. >> > Basically a YourNextMP type set of information on them. >> > >> > * A measure of how democratic the process is for each party (locally >> > and on average nationally). Other national party statistics >> > aggregated from the local party info. >> > >> > * Possibly could be a campaigning site, with a way of asking / >> > lobbying for open primaries, or other improvements to candidate >> > selection processes. >> > >> > * Possibly could be a "local party" scrutiny site - so could have >> > info other than about selection, such as number of local party >> > members, local party donations and so on. >> > >> > What Voter Power (http://www.voterpower.org.uk/) reminds us, is that >> > most people don't get a vote for their MP. The MP is preordained, >> > based on the process the party uses to select the candidate. >> > >> > A way of improving democracy would be to have more scrutiny of the >> > candidate selection process. >> > >> > Francis >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:18:47PM +0000, Abdul Hai wrote: >> > > I have been thinking about this for sometime and I was thinking >> > > wouldn't be a good idea to have a site for all Conservative >> > > Primaries for the next election. Before people starting making >> > > comments I would like to say that even though I am Conservative >> > > supporter it would be useful for non Conservatives as the >> > > Primaries are open to the general public who live in the area even >> > > if they are not natural supporters. >> > > >> > > We had one in my local area and it would have been useful for >> > > people to have a site that gave information. I know a lot of >> > > people who went there are not Tory voters. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Mailing list >> > [email protected] Archive, settings, or >> > unsubscribe: >> > >> https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ Mailing list >> > [email protected] Archive, settings, or >> > unsubscribe: >> > >> https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public >> >> >> -- Help beat party propaganda at the next election - >> www.democracyclub.org.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list [email protected] >> Archive, settings, or unsubscribe: >> >> https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public >> > > > > -- > Irene Rukerebuka > > 37 Hunters Way > Tunbridge Wells > Kent > TN2 5QF > > m: 07826255452 > > t: www.twitter.com/rantersparadise > w: www.hubnovation.org.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list [email protected] > Archive, settings, or unsubscribe: > https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public > -- Irene Rukerebuka 37 Hunters Way Tunbridge Wells Kent TN2 5QF m: 07826255452 t: www.twitter.com/rantersparadise w: www.hubnovation.org.uk
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