As a data point, I made at least one request for information (for the
statute law database contract I think) in 2004 (before the FOI law was
in force in the UK), and got a paper response posted to me.

Francis

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 08:53:09AM +0000, Seb Bacon wrote:
> Just resurrecting this old discussion briefly as I had a mini query:
> 
> Surely councils, quangos and government departments already had to
> deal with vexatious requests *before* FOI?  Even if you define "deal
> with" as "have a quick scan and throw in the bin", it's still going to
> cost you some amount of money. Has anyone done some research to
> compare the two?  E.g. how much time / money was spent on answering
> questions about UFOs before FOIA?  What *extra* costs has the FOIA
> introduced for dealing with such requests?
> 
> Seb
> 
> On 21 December 2011 12:33, Mark Goodge <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 21/12/2011 11:31, Seb Bacon wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Tom is absolutely right that the starting gun has been fired.  There
> >> have already been a couple of stories along the line that Cabinet
> >> debates should not be subject to FOI [1], and the
> >> not-entirely-relevant-but-overlapping idea that the DPA should be
> >> revoked [2].  At the same time, the outgoing Scottish ICO commissioned
> >> research showing strong public support for FOI [3]
> >
> >
> > I think the concerns raised in the stories reported in the first two links
> > are real, and need to be addressed. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem
> > with excluding Cabinet minutes from FOI, at least in principle. In practice,
> > though, I'd be very wary of anything which might be seen as the thin end of
> > the wedge - if we accept the removal of one thing, what's to stop the
> > removal of another? So I'd only accept such a change along with a broader
> > review of FOI that not only excludes some things that it may have been wrong
> > to include but also includes some things that were previously excluded.
> >
> >
> >> I read the general thrust of the report as "FOI is a great success,
> >> but probably costs too much money" (see para 221 in the Conclusion
> >> section, for example).
> >>
> >> There is a lot of space dedicated to how much requests cost (a total
> >> of 900,000 requests at an average cost of £160 - £254), to how
> >> authorities view the costs as being too high (e.g. opportunity costs
> >> of staff having to deal with requests other than their day jobs), and
> >> to the subject of vexatious requests.
> >
> >
> > I think there are two separate points to be made about costs. Firstly, a lot
> > of costs would be minimised, or even eliminated, if the sort of information
> > likely to be requested via FOI was pre-emptively published by the
> > authorities themselves rather than waiting to be asked for it. Obviously
> > that isn't going to apply to every possible request, since you can't predict
> > every question that will be asked, but simple things like making sure that
> > budget documents, etc can readily be found on the relevant website would
> > help a lot.
> >
> > But, on the other hand, with my councillor hat on, I do think that the
> > cut-off is possibly too high for some authorities. £600 is peanuts for a
> > central government department, but £450 is a significant sum to a local
> > council which needs to account for it in their annual precept-setting budget
> > meeting. But I'm not entirely sure what the solution is, since reducing the
> > limit might make it unduly difficult to obtain some information.
> >
> >
> >> On the one hand, the WDTK team is committed to discouraging any
> >> non-serious requests.  And in the context of severe budget cuts, it's
> >> clear that consicentious FOI officers are suffering [4].  Perhaps one
> >> thing we can do is add a note during the request process about the
> >> average cost of an FOI request (and/or an internal review)?  Just
> >> along the lines of "please consider if this request is important
> >> enough to justify the average cost of answering it" (though worded
> >> much better than that, of course!).
> >
> >
> > Vexatious, frivolous and misguided requests are a real issue. I'm not quite
> > sure how to stop people sending them, though, without it looking like
> > censorship.
> >
> >
> > Mark
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