On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, la...@garfieldtech.com < la...@garfieldtech.com> wrote:
> Uh, Victor, you are aware that Wikipedia has a "team" of editors who > correct, prune, and curate content far more actively than anyone on > Drupal.org, right? > > Well, that is a relatively recent development, isn't it? Their initial success at least was due to crowdsourcing, wasn't it? Can you prove they are doing better as a result? Victor > And you are also aware that Drupal core has appointed "leads" who are > extremely picky about what they allow in? > > And that PHP itself has about 1000 committers who don't have to talk to > each other before committing, and the result is an utter trainwreck of > inconsistency and people committing things in the middle of the night just > to avoid the fact that everyone else already said no to an idea? (True > story.) > > Just making sure about that... > > --Larry Garfield > > > On 2/1/11 6:37 AM, Victor Kane wrote: > >> I won't be able to go to DrupalCon this year, so I'll give my feedback >> here. >> >> One thing that's clear from the success of many open documentation sites >> (wikipedia, stack overflow) is that they avoid top down governance, they >> let the meritocracy form on the basis of what actually happens. >> >> I firmly believe that the existence of "document leads" and other forms >> of control have done more harm than good, despite heroic efforts from >> these individuals, since all that has happened over the last few years >> is a constant moving around of a hierarchical structure. >> >> Why wouldn't a freer, wiki like approach work? >> >> Victor Kane >> http://awebfactory.com.ar >> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Randy Fay <ra...@randyfay.com >> <mailto:ra...@randyfay.com>> wrote: >> >> I don't think we can delegate any part of Drupal to something we >> don't control; I think that's just a non-starter. >> >> So for me, the issue is what we can learn from StackOverflow and >> friends - they do great stuff and end up with great content. And >> yes, I think we should build something on that. >> >> Who is signing up to build it? I think it's an easy sell. >> >> -Randy >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Dan Horning >> <dan.horn...@planetnoc.com <mailto:dan.horn...@planetnoc.com>> wrote: >> >> i have to ask ... what would we actually gain by doing this - >> cleanup the various methods for finding info about a given >> module or theme or bug a little and we far surpass this >> suggested tool >> >> it seems that stackoverflow is driven very highly on userpoints >> to control access - which while a good thing - doesn't really >> fit the development model we have here. there are existing >> processes that would have to change to fit the suggested model. >> I for one am more for peer reviews and leadership staff >> assigning access than a points system that someone could rack up >> points and just get access ... what's that really do for the >> community - seems that would be great if we were just a tech >> help forum - awarding points for the users that help and giving >> them more access - but what's that do for drupal and it's >> community? (i know there is a potential for this to help ...) >> >> another area of issue to me is - another login ? or would it use >> SSO? >> do the drupal leadership users and dries have admin level >> control...? >> >> mostly here i just don't get what adding yet another resource >> (like has been said before) would do to help the lead devs, >> module + theme devs and just supporting drupal. if i had say -=- >> i'd vote against this idea >> >> -- >> Dan Horning >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Victor Kane" <victork...@gmail.com >> <mailto:victork...@gmail.com>> >> > To: development@drupal.org <mailto:development@drupal.org> >> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:01:55 PM >> > Subject: Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A >> Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal >> > I guess this is a good place to start: >> > http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Victor Kane < >> victork...@gmail.com <mailto:victork...@gmail.com> > >> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Josh Koenig < >> j...@getpantheon.com <mailto:j...@getpantheon.com> > >> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Stew, >> > >> > >> > Thanks for starting this thread. This is important stuff: >> > >> > >> > >> > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/2978/drupal-answers >> > >> > I want to put my support behind this proposal and explain my >> thinking >> > in doing so. >> > >> > >> > The Drupal community is already growing faster than Drupal's >> > infrastructure can easily support. With the release of D7 and >> all the >> > other associated projects getting off the ground, drupal.org >> <http://drupal.org> is >> >> > increasingly often a bottleneck or blocker. We have wonderful >> hosts >> > from OSUOSL, but the human resources needed to develop, >> maintain and >> > manage our own infrastructure (which is a 24x7x365 job) are >> limited. >> > >> > >> > We have to pick our battles. I much would rather see energy, >> effort, >> > attention and money poured into continuing to improve our git >> and >> > module infrastructure — which is much more deeply intrinsic >> to the >> > health and future of the project — and accept that even though >> we >> > *can* build our own StackOverflow (@eaton proved this >> already) that >> > doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of limited >> resources, or >> > the best thing for the project. >> > >> > >> > Drupal can theoretically/technically solve a lot of its own >> problems, >> > but I think we often suffer from a "not built here" prejudice >> as a >> > result. In the realm of getting good quality answers to Drupal >> > questions out to the most people possible, I can't see how a >> > StackExchange site would do anything but help. I would love >> to see the >> > community embrace something really cool and useful from the >> wider >> > Internet as a way to promote the project. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > You make a convincing argument Josh; my own gut feeling has >> been, >> > reading this thread, "how can we delegate something so >> important to >> > the Drupal Community as its own documentation to another >> party who may >> > or may not exist in the near/medium/long term". >> > >> > >> > Can someone inform somewhat on who these guys are? And why >> there and >> > not someplace else? >> > >> > >> > Victor >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Finally, I should say that I *do not* think a StackExchange >> answers >> > site replaces anything. It's not an issue queue, and it's not a >> > replacement for the dialogue that exist in the forums. I >> would say >> > it's a new resource, something that can help the 10s of 1000s of >> > people who will be trying to wrap their mind around Drupal in >> the >> > coming year. >> > >> > >> > Cheers >> > -josh >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Randy Fay >> Drupal Module and Site Development >> ra...@randyfay.com <mailto:ra...@randyfay.com> >> +1 970.462.7450 >> >> >>
