On Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 11:34:20PM +0800, Craig Foster wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Damien Curtain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:32 PM > > To: Gordon Rowell; Charlie Brady; Devinfo > > Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Some wish-list ideas for version 6.0 > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 10:12:08AM -0400, Gordon Rowell wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2002 at 12:03:57AM +1000, Damien Curtain > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > Perhaps Im the only person on these lists who believes that the > > > > minimum requirements of a machine for e-smith has increased since > > > > 4.x releases, but what's the point of updating to new releases > > > > except for the newer features and some of the really useful > > > > contribs. [...] > > And using RedHat 7.2 has the same base requirement as RedHat 6.2?
A server install is similar. That's what were talking about, sure to run kde/gnome or whatever their current flavour wdm is you need recent hardware, but the underlying subsystems havent changed substantially to require a higher capacity machine. > P133s are the 486DX33 workhorse of the secondhand market now... And the > same 486DX33 is supposed to handle webmail, groupware, broadband, and > make adequate use of 20GB HDD (the smallest you can find in most PC > wholesalers)? Obviously not, did you even read what I said... > As of the end of this week, Australian Wholesalers are End-Of-Lining > their stocks of Pentium III Procesors (shame tho' - P4s seem slower at > times) and Mitel has to worry about machines 3 (yep *THREE*) generations > earlier? Geez you must have totally missed the point, we said that its getting hard to run e-smith/sme on older machines below pentium classics, Richl asked what I meant by resource hogs, and I responded webmail/ldap/msqld etc. At no point have I suggested it should run on older machines, I only stated it stuggles if it does. You can quote computer bank and any other proxy organisation for collection of old machines but I'm actually trying to still use some of them for comunity organisations, its hard to get a good supply of pentiums and above in a non-stripped configuration. If you have surplus I know of a few places that would be grateful for them. > Besides, cleaned up 486s make great donations to organisations like > Computer Angels (http://www.ca.asn.au/) or for customers that want to > keep their PCs, load on ip-cop or something similar for modem sharing > (horses for courses) What do you think not for profits are? They also like to have things such as samba/webmail/ftpd and easy to configure for the workers in the office. These are all donated machines I've been talking about, were just starting to see celerons and beyond becoming available for these organisations. > > > I don't think anyone is disputing that extra features have > > been added > > > and that the baseline has moved up. The documentation also reflects > > > this. There are many extra features, some of which you > > don't want, but > > > lots of people value. > > > > Very true. This thread started (though I replied a week later > > after being away) over reusing old machines, and my point was > > it's very hard to continue to use 486's and old cyrix boxes > > at not-for-profits with e-smith/sme in its current form. My > > solution has been to go and find newer machines for the > > places struggling to run recent versions of e-smith/sme. > > As a consultant, I'm still recommending Windows 98SE in many (30%) > instances, and Windows 2000 is pretty much anything else (Maybe XP Pro > gets 15%). If you want the extra features, they will cost you > horsepower. Do your NFPs require all the new features, or can 4.1.2 + > security patches fulfil their needs? Most of my clients find 4.1.2 > suffices. Yes, some of them like to configure staic hosts, that appeared 5.x. They like webmail because it saves using eudora with adds. They like having a directory service, shouldn't they have these too? Geez Charlie himself recommended I install 5.5 in one of them to fix some issues, perhaps your clients needs are lower than theirs, lucky them. > (And they appreciate me being honest about it...) An honest consultant? That is a nice change. > > Some of the exciting features of e-smith/sme for the end-user > > are such thigs as webmail, rrdtool based monitoring, secure > > remote access, so crippling an install isn't a viable > > solution for most installations. > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Many of our test lab boxes are P133 machines with 64MB RAM - > > > comparatively stone-age machines. They are slow, but usable. > > Have you guys played with Vmware Workstation? It'll free up many > machines and you can copy the final install (including settings) over > another botched session in about 2 minutes tops :) I still keep a couple > of machines around for things like SCSI and odd configurations though. > > > > > Send them this way when your done with them. > > -- > > Damien > > Or send them to a charity! Please... <:( > (Yunno, like the ones for less fortunate countries - nods to Charlie) It was implied it would go to worthy causes, Gordon would know that. Perhaps theres other people beside yourself and Charlie who make an effort to reuse technology in worthwhile organisations too, so hold on to your pleases. -- Damien -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
