Hmmm, I humbly confess I hadn't noticed the non-redistributability clause.

However, the with-java version remains the fastest, easiest and most
reliable way of getting Freenet up and running successfully on windoze. I
challenge anyone to come up with a better scheme.

The with-java version greatly enlarges Freenet's potential user base, since
installing a separate java and following the Freenet 'find java'
installation sequence is beyond the attention span or technical grasp of
many users.

But what's the real problem here?

It's not as if the 'with java' version is replacing the 'sans java'
version - it's supplementing it.

The sans-java version is completely unaffected - no indemnification of Sun,
and no redistribution restrictions.

I strongly advocate reinstating the with-java version on the download page.
Perhaps replace the download link to another page, which explains that
1) The with-java version is non-redistributable - shareware sites etc should
not host it, but should link directly to the file on Freenet.sourceforge.net
2) Downloading the file implies acceptance of the Sun java license
agreement.

David

PS Some of the /. posts relating to FreeWeb criticised me for attempting to
make Freenet user-friendly !!!!??!?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr.Bad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: [freenet-devl] JRE License


> >>>>> "B" == Bad  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>     B> Also, IIRC, there are some redistribution issues with adding a
>     B> JRE to your projects -- which is one reason that it's rare to
>     B> see JREs included with Free Software projects.
>
>     B> Has anyone checked this out yet?
>
> OK, I just did check it out, and I'm pretty sure that adding the JRE is
> very inappropriate.
>
>         http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/jre/j2re-1_3_0-linux-license.html
>
> Two things in particular bug me:
>
>         * The package with JRE included is non-redistributable. That
>           is, people can't download the exe with the JRE in it and
>           post it anywhere.
>
>         * We agree to indemnify Sun against any problems with the
>           JRE. This seems totally reckless and stupid.
>
> I understand why there is support for having this in the distributed
> exe, but it just seems like a really bad idea.
>
> --NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--
>
> For this reason, I've deleted the *-withjava-* stuff from
> SourceForge. I've got copies and I'll put it back up if/when we decide
> to do so, but for right now it seems like a bad move to make.
>
> --NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--NOTE--
>
> ~Mr. Bad
>
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