On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 12:23:44PM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 03:16:45PM -0400, Tavin Cole wrote:
> > > Whether the two are both considered "Freenet" or whether the other
> > > network has a different name is just semantics.
> > Hardly.  If you wed it to the Freenet network itself, you:  1) contribute to
> > making it impossible for anyone but us to implement a Freenet node, and 2)
> > make it impossible for someone to leave their Freenet node running if
> > ordered to shut down their "Freesearch" node.
> 
> 1) is an inevitable consequence of any improvement to Freenet
> functionality,

True, but this is something that can be cleanly separated from the
requirements for implementing a "Freenet" node.

> and is countered by the fact that itegrating this
> functionality into Freenet means that there will be more nodes capable
> of providing this search functionality, which will be good for the
> network.

I think you will have to prove that.  This system will certainly require
some kind of web of trust rankings system to provide useful search results.
You won't be able to stop searches on the first hit like you can when
searching for a Freenet key, so the topological requirements of the
network may become different, and in any case, you will be dealing with
a different set of challenges regarding bandwidth usage and caching.

It's really a very different animal and it could be horrible for the network,
just as it could be good.

> 2) can be avoided by inclusion of a simple configuration
> option as to whether the node supports this functionality.
> 
> > In fact I think that if you tie this into Freenet itself you are directly
> > undermining one of the project's goals: plausible deniability.  "But I
> > didn't know my node was holding metadata information on those copyrighted
> > mp3s."  "Whaddya mean, it's right here in plain text"
> 
> This disadvantage of the metadata searching was pointed out in my
> initial post, however anyone who doesn't want to take this risk (and
> there are many many people taking much more of a risk with Gnutella) can
> just disactivate this functionality in their node.

Well yes, of course this aspect is semantically equivalent to making them
separate networks.

-- 

# tavin cole
#
# "Technology is a way of organizing the universe so that
# man doesn't have to experience it."
#
#        - Max Frisch


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