> This is getting rediculous - I have described the issue to Sun - along
> with the exact way we are deploying the JRE, and we have confirmation
> (from someone to whom I was referred by Bill Joy, Sun's co-founder)
> that it is ok.  She said "I don't think we care about what server the
> bits come from as long as to get the JRE from you the user also always
> get the freenet software". What more do you want, a blood oath from
> Scott McNealy?

Um, no, I want confirmation from Sun that *what we are doing* is ok.  As you
say, she said "to get the jre... the user also always gets the Freenet
software".

But this was not the old deployment scheme!  The old deployment scheme
suggested that the user download the jre from www.freenetproject.org  (and
also tried downloading it automatically)

We *cannot* host the jre independently on www.freenetproject.org.  Which is
what Sun have explicitly stated, on several occasions.  The 'confirmation'
you have received does not unconditionally allow us to do that which Sun
have previously denied us.

> Even in the worst case scenario, this at least gives us sufficient
> justification to go back to the old mechanism until Sun comes back to
> us and tells us we can't.

Sun have already come back to me to tell me we can't do that.  Which bit of
my argument did you not understand?
But as you're willing to take full responsibility, I will change the
webinstaller back to the old mechanism when I have a spare moment (or,
someone else could do it?  whatever happened to that other guy who started
winstaller hacking for us a month or so ago?)

Anyway, there's now a potential new alternative.  Java 1.4.2 (which no
longer appears to be 'beta' and seems to work ok with Freenet 5028 as of  me
trying this weekend) comes with an 'install from the web' option to install
only the components needed.  Admittedly this contacts Sun's servers to
download the jre components.  But I'm not sure that this is much worse than
directing the user to download manually from Sun's servers.  Alternatively
the full Java 1.4.2 runtime is an approx 15MB file to include inside
freenet-java-webinstall.exe

Thoughts?

D

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