On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:21:55AM +1000, fish wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:01:04PM +0100, Toad wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:12:11PM +1000, fish wrote:
> > > Hrm, how would this effect uses who are stuck behind NAT's that they are
> > > not in a position to work around (and hence a node can never open a connection
> > > to)?
> > 
> > They would not be able to make queries. Their network topology forces
> > them to be freeloaders, and we should treat them as such. Or so the
> > argument goes.
> 
> As one of the users who is stuck in this situation, I'm sure everyone
> understands why I view that argument with a small amount of hostility,
> right?
> 
> [hostile statement removed upon reconsideration.  To sum it up in a 
> non-hostile fashion, while I understand that drastic measures may be
> nessesary to fix the routing issues that freenet is currently experiencing,
> do you seriously believe that throwing off everyone with shitty connectivity
> is the solution?  I'll accept it if this is seriously believed, right, but
> i'm sure everyone understands that I don't really wish to be thrown off
> freenet, despite the voices in my head sometimes telling me otherwise :-p]
> 
>       -- jj

I don't know. I do know that one powerful attack on Freenet would be to
distribute the One True Killer App (after Freenet has gotten reasonably
fast, reliable etc), with a built in but purely transient node. If it
got popular freenet would quickly disappear under what amounted to a
massive DDoS. I believe it is possible to circumvent firewalls that only
allow outbound connections, as I have explained elsewhere. It's a
question of what priority do we give to it at this stage? Also, we can't
do it before multiplexing anyway for various reasons.

-- 
Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.

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