On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 05:33:03PM +0200, Niklas Bergh wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:01:04PM +0100, Toad wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:12:11PM +1000, fish wrote: > > > Hrm, how would this effect uses who are stuck behind NAT's that they > > > > are not in a position to work around (and hence a node can never > > > open a connection to)? > > > > They would not be able to make queries. Their network topology forces > > them to be freeloaders, and we should treat them as such. Or so the > > argument goes. > > >As one of the users who is stuck in this situation, I'm sure everyone > understands why I view that argument with a small amount >of hostility, > right? > > Yup > > >[hostile statement removed upon reconsideration. To sum it up in a > >non-hostile fashion, while I understand that drastic measures may be > nessesary to fix the routing issues that freenet is currently > experiencing, do you seriously believe that throwing off everyone with > shitty connectivity is the solution? I'll accept it if this is > seriously believed, right, but i'm sure everyone understands that I > don't really wish to be thrown off freenet, despite the voices in my > head sometimes telling me otherwise :-p] > > I assume the shitty connectivity is punishment enough really :) > Hopefully it will not be done this way, it was just an idea. It is > always good to get peoples reactions on ideas (even the unconventional > ones). > > /N
Au contraire, I think freenet's long term survivability will depend on amongst other factors its ability to deter freeloaders. However I don't think the classical mojo nation stuff is the way to go. I have heard good things about GNUnet's non-scarcity economic model, someday I will read the papers. Also see what I said in the other mail - it should be possible to use nodes behind firewalls. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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