I hate to reply to my own message, it's embarrassing
:)  If you think my suggestion is totally out to
lunch, please say so.  I can handle some constructive
criticism.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pineapple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:34 AM
Subject: [freenet-dev] Re: Frost and Routing -
solution ? How about dynamicestimators?


> This problem is due to having fewer estimators than
> keys in the keyspace (due to resource constraints :)
> and interpolating between estimators.  The attack is
> exploiting this interpolation.  I propose using
> dynamic estimators to thwart this attack.  If an
> estimator is "moving" a lot it is either due to
dnf's
> or the data being found nearby.  In either case, it
> may be a good idea to spawn one or more NEW
estimators
> near the old one.  This way NGR can
ddynamicallyscale
> it's precision in certain parts of the keyspace if
> there happens to be a lot of keys in that area or
the
> new estimators can act as a "wall" to thwart the
> attack.  Another idea is to have the estimators
"move"
> faster, but I think this would introduce more noise
> into NGR.  Maybe we could analyze the amount of NGR
> noise and add more estimators if there is too much
> noise.  Just some thoughts.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Toad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Discussion of development issues"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Frost and Routing -
> solution ?
> I have a better attack. You are targetting a
> particular area of the
> keyspace. Request a long stream of random keys very
> close to the target
> key. They will all DNF, and reduce the pDNF in that
> area of each node
> the node routes the request to, until the estimator
is
> so low that it
> tries a different node. Keep on requesting and you
can
> effectively
> eliminate the node's ability to route requests in
that
> region... I have
> no idea how to fight this attack :(. Anyone have any
> reason why it
> wouldn't work?
> 


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