OK, I should clarify. That was not directed at, you, Toad, Ian, Martin, Ed, Susa, or 
any of the other contributers here. I acknowledge that NGrouting is complicated and is 
hard to make work. I acknowledge there is a need for a working network even if it does 
not work. I acknowledge the need for attack resistance testing, although I think at 
this point you've made your point, and can stop. My message was directed at, thouse 
that said that NGrouting can never work, by virtue of it being complicated, those who 
said that alchemy is inherently better because it is simpler, and anyone who used the 
phrase "Horse sense". 

Now I also must apologize because my post was not productive ether. Now in the mean 
time I have done something, so please please read my proposal for positive trust 
biased freenet. Read the code. Think of attack. Tear it appart. It is infinitely 
better to find some theoretical problem now, before it is implemented, when it can be 
easily fixed, then having to wait until it is, and you have to write attack code to 
convince anyone. Perhaps I am over optimistic, but I think my proposal will solve 
every routing related problem is currently facing the network that I am aware of. So 
your help is needed, read the code, think of ways to attack it.
> 
> > 
> > Ok, I'm a bit behind in my e-mail so I just read this. But my postive trust
> > baised solution should solve this.
> > 
> > Hopefully this should shut up all those [EMAIL PROTECTED]&* people, and you know 
> > who you
> > are; who are talking about removing NGrouting, or saying that we should route
> > indpendent of the key value or that "It's too complicated, lets do something
> > stupid", or favoring bandwidth. To those who I'm refering, who don't have a
> > @#$%!^& clue what their talking about, just stop posting stuff that's not
> > helpful.
> > 
> 
> how about all those !#$%%^ people who give all those fancy ideas actually get
> off their cloud and implement them?
> 
> FYI, if I had not done the black hole, but had instead posted here outlinging a
> "potential" attack, it would have been dismissed, ignored, and few people in
> particular (no names mentioned, but they know who they are) would go into great
> lengths explaining what an idiot I am not to fully and unconditionally trust
> into NGR's ability to solve world hunger.
> 
> And a specific hint for you Mr. Kaitchuk - in the world of open source, if you
> believe an idea is good then you go implement it and only then if it proves to
> work others will join you.  Nobody's going to do someone else's crazy ideas for
> them.  (and yes, Ian coded the skeleton of the first freenet implementation back
> in 0.1/0.2 days, it was proven to work and only then it became popular; a paid
> programmer was hired much much later)
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