On Tuesday 29 Nov 2011 19:04:50 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote: > Matthew, > > I have some questions > > - When you are using SSK keys how you will know by what keys you should > search (by what keys you can find messages generated by your application)? > Using FMS makes it easy to maintain updates of indexes which I'm not sure > is so easy by using SSK's
For any individual identity, you would just subscribe to a USK (e.g. via FCP SubscribeUSK). The client is notified when it is updated. However, to find all identities publishing a list, you would need to query WoT to get a list of identities over some trust threshold. But it would surely be more efficient for each identity to publish a catalog and then download them from the USKs. (USKs are based on SSKs). It would also allow for future scalable structures for larger collections. > - I think that trust system of FMS is better than WoT. You have the > opportunity to divide trust to person and his opinion to other persons (I > think it's really important to divide this things). And what changes are > planned in WoT? FMS is better than WoT because FMS works. Whereas Freetalk+WoT is undergoing significant changes and is rather heavy on disk access at present. And yes, per-domain trust is planned; talk to xor, but this is pretty long term. I'm not convinced myself though, it's pretty hard to define domains (somebody may post good messages and bad files, or they may post good messages on one board and spam on another...) > - java, it's ok > > Best regards, > nikotyan > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Matthew Toseland <[email protected] > > wrote: > > > On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 20:19:25 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote: > > > Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis. > > > Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would > > provide > > > search mechanism via new format indexes > > > Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users > > > to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special > > > NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge. > > > e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add > > > metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is > > generated > > > and inserted into FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. > > Other > > > users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to > > > trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done > > in > > > FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw, > > > something like FMS. > > > If you are interested in it I can give more details =) > > > > Cool. Personally I would have made three major changes: > > - Insert a series of indexes as an SSK, rather than posting them as NNTP > > messages. This would improve performance and reduce complexity. > > - Use the WebOfTrust backend rather than talking NNTP to FMS. > > - Make it a web application in Java so it can be bundled. > > But it would be awesome to have such a thing even if people have to > > download it themselves. I understand that the first two items require more > > understanding of the codebase than you probably have, and more importantly, > > depend on having WebOfTrust working well - which it isn't really yet. Good > > luck. > > > > Long term Freenet does need something with the above properties IMHO. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > nikotyan > > > > > > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +0000 > > > > From: Matthew Toseland <[email protected]> > > > > To: Discussion of development issues <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins > > > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote: > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called > > "File > > > > > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"? > > > > > > > > > > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :) > > > > > > > > Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear > > > > some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly > > that is > > > > what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites > > on > > > > the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: signature.asc > > > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > Size: 198 bytes > > > > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20111120/f2da8b37/attachment-0001.pgp > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500 > > > > From: Steve Dougherty <[email protected]> > > > > To: Discussion of development issues <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet > > > > Message-ID: > > > > <CAC+9PX4FXKurqmZHD83JDsDGK9= > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me! > > > > > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few > > days > > > > > and would consult with you after it > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > nikotyan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote: > > > > >> > Hi guys, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long > > absence. > > > > I > > > > >> have > > > > >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due > > > > gsoc > > > > >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal > > > > >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to > > continue my > > > > >> work > > > > >> > on my Freenet task. This application allows > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search; > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view > > of > > > > WoT > > > > >> > filtered by filesharing context); > > > > >> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT). > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite > > a > > > > long > > > > >> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to > > join > > > > >> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether > > this > > > > >> task > > > > >> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task > > should I > > > > >> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, > > and > > > > >> whom > > > > >> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better > > > > results? > > > > >> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions, > > > > >> advices > > > > >> > and considerations. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thank you very much for your time! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Best regards, > > > > >> > Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan > > > > >> > > > > > >> It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on! > > > > >> > > > > >> My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when > > you do > > > > >> do it you'll need to be rather careful with it for security > > reasons. On > > > > the > > > > >> other hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers > > > > >> habitually reinsert so you'll need something eventually. > > > > >> > > > > >> But maintaining an index of your files and searching others' > > indexes is > > > > >> core functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite > > dramatically, > > > > e.g. > > > > >> fetching the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can > > > > wait if > > > > >> need be. The other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning > > attacks - > > > > the > > > > >> WoT should make this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks > > > > like > > > > >> you're on top of all these issues, so I wish you every possible > > luck! > > > > >> > > > > >> My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the > > > > >> moment due to academic commitments, but hope to see you around! > > >
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