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Am 18.04.2014 23:22, schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> On 18/04/14 20:27, Zwiebelcode wrote:
>> Am 18.04.2014 01:04, schrieb Matthew Toseland:
>>> On 17/04/14 19:11, Zwiebelcode wrote:
>>>> hi developers,
>>>> 
>>>> some time ago I wrote about OpenIdent. The core of OpenIdent
>>>> is now finished.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> .- How it can help freenet -.
>>>> 
>>>> OpenIdent can solve the problem, that an attacker can log
>>>> into the freenet network with thousands of ip adresses.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> .- Introduction -.
>>>> 
>>>> In the internet, there are some problems, that have not been 
>>>> fully solved, yet. Spam can still not be controlled. Fraud
>>>> only can be fighted in a limited way. In the internet,
>>>> democratic decision processes are only possible with some
>>>> limitations. All of these problems have one point in common:
>>>> The problems could be solved, if the participants would
>>>> identify themselves, but that would reduce their privacy.
>>>> OpenIdent wants to solve this problem and provide an
>>>> identification mechanism without reducing the privacy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> .- OpenIdent -.
>>>> 
>>>> OpenIdent is a Server-Client-Software that allows people to 
>>>> provide their unique identity without exposing them. So,
>>>> users are unique and can be blocked in case of fraud or
>>>> spamming for a long time. With that, the problems pointed
>>>> above could be solved.
>>>> 
>>>> OpenIdent contists of two parts. The first parts handles the 
>>>> identification of users. The second part handles the 
>>>> pseudonymization of users. The pseudonymization is realized
>>>> with the use of blind signatures.
>>>> 
>>>> The repository of OpenIdent is: 
>>>> https://gitorious.org/openident/openident/
>>>> 
>>>> used libraries: - Bouncycastle - sqlite-jdbc-3.7.2 - myjipc
>>>> - https://gitorious.org/myjipc/myjipc/
>>>> 
>>>> The command line language is german at the moment. This will
>>>> be changed soon.
>>>> 
>>>> An information file can be found at: 
>>>> https://gitorious.org/openident/openident/source/doc/info.txt
>>>
>>>> 
Potentially very interesting. The fact that it's centralised
>>> doesn't necessarily mean we can't use it on opennet.
>> 
>>> From his page:
>> 
>>> # .- Ways of identification -. # # For the identification of
>>> users there are some different ways. Examples # are: E-Mail
>>> address, telephone number, scanned passports, electronic #
>>> passports and fingerprints. Because E-Mail addresses can be
>>> created # too easily, their use case is very limited for secure
>>> identifications.
>> 
>>> Gmail etc accounts are worth more than email accounts in
>>> general; Tor uses them for e.g. bridges.
>> 
>>> I have no idea how you would verify scanned passports, I would 
>>> imagine it would involve human labour or at least some nonzero 
>>> financial cost?
>> 
>>> Mobile numbers are the basis for gmail accounts, but are
>>> probably fairly easy to obtain in bulk; how much does it cost
>>> to buy 10,000 SIMs, register their numbers, and then sell them
>>> on? I would be surprised if there weren't companies who did
>>> this already to supply the spam industry, just as there are
>>> companies that provide bulk CAPTCHA solving.
>> 
>>> It's great to see somebody looking into a generic solution for
>>> this anyway!
>> 
>>> I have no idea whether any of this will have sufficient user 
>>> acceptability. Like darknet, it contravenes users'
>>> expectations and misconceptions about "anonymity". But it's
>>> definitely worth trying. Especially if you can get some user
>>> acceptability outside of Freenet in e.g. forums.
>> 
>>> Sorry I don't have time to review the source at the moment...
>>> :|
>> 
>> Yes, the project requires human labour for verification. I plan
>> to organize people who verify identities in reallife.
> So it's limited to some small community? Do they federate? How do
> they maintain mutual trust? ...  Or you have to pay for an
> identity, bringing us back to square one?
>> Next step for me is to find helpers for the software, because
>> the software needs to be connected so other software. And I also
>> need some tips and feedback. If it is ok, i would like to use
>> this mailinglist to ask some question about coding stuff that I
>> am still unsure.
> I don't see why that would be a problem in the short run. In the
> long run I should join your mailing list... I won't be following
> this list much during term time though (i.e. tomorrow until mid
> June).
> 
> 
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I prefer to have more than one entity that is doing the verifications
stuff. Maybe it will be a bit chaotic. Every service (forum, blog) can
decide, which Identity Provider / Pseudonym Provider is needed. Maybe
some require the user to be registered on several identity providers.
Some providers may charge a small fee, others are free. All provide
different level of security.

I have no own mailinglist. I have my mail address and my gitorious
account. Nothing more right now.

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