With Marios Isaakidis, I created a set of deadlines for the Winterface GSoC project.
It is possible that I will be completely offline during the evaluation period (I’m on vacation from 2014-08-08, and I’ll be in a small spanish village where I don’t know whether my OLPC will be able to connect to the wireless internet - last time the access point actually managed to crash my kernel), so this list is also meant as support for Steve to judge the success off the Winterface project. If nothing serious gets in the way, Florent should have made Steve a second mentor for Winterface in a few days - I started putting things into motion for that some time ago). The deadlines are also available as html page in Freenet: http://127.0.0.1:8888/freenet:USK@um4cEaaGWlgdAK8gAFDJrqY2eiSM3fHxiPfMTu89coE,m2rG6gU~ISukN3S3qJtNwVxXr0giCtHvu8BPz605FxE,AQACAAE/winterface-deadlines/0/#sec-2 or from my inproxy: https://d6.gnutella2.info/freenet/USK@um4cEaaGWlgdAK8gAFDJrqY2eiSM3fHxiPfMTu89coE,m2rG6gU~ISukN3S3qJtNwVxXr0giCtHvu8BPz605FxE,AQACAAE/winterface-deadlines/0/#sec-2 (note the new URL: https://d6.gnutella2.info/freenet ← this is one of the cases where SSL is really useful ☺) (Till now I did not write much on devl, because I’m swamped with stuff to do and decided to priorize info on IRC+Sone and helping Marios directly over giving mentor-comments here) Enough preface, here’s the list. #+title: Deadlines for the Winterface GSoC project #+BEGIN_ABSTRACT Winterface is a new Web Interface for Freenet implemented as plugin. Marios alias Prometheas alias misaakidis is working on it over the summer. We’re in the last few weeks and pieced together a list of deadlines required to finish GSoC successfully. #+END_ABSTRACT * Tasks ** Kill all show stoppers - forward all not yet working links to fproxy - link wiki to http://127.0.0.1:8088/USK@z6lnOx7PPe16P3Sobu1KM9jiLiIxdvE3L918QMVCLak,AmZ7RemmWcKM2-W4Zs38Ks511lRTsWleMj2mVAReB4E,AQACAAE/freenetdocwiki/17/ - add a visit-link in the fproxy page for Winterface which has a link to Winterface (the configured port). - make the config entry for Winterface in FProxy nice (add a localizable string) ** make the Winterface bookmarks-workflow enjoyable - edit bookmarks conveniently - visiting bookmarks which feels nice (progress info, content filters and everything which is possible to speed up getting the site) - tracking bookmarks (i.e. show notifications at the bookmarks) - lots of polish - like automatically uncollapsing a bookmark category when one of the contained bookmarks got updated. ** Further notes - for opening in a new tab: Everything which forwards to fproxy should open in a new tab - for the “talk to people” links: link to the subpages of the freenet social networking guide. - polish: add a small javascript for reload winterface which checks whether the new winterface is available before reloading. - make the rabbit in the top-left a clickable link to the winterface dashboard. * Deadlines - sunday 27.7.14: blockers are gone. I can click the App→Sone link in Winterface (if I have Sone running) to get to the Sone page of fproxy in a new tab. no restart or shutdown button in Winterface. - wednesday 30.7.14: clicking away notifications, showing notifications for bookmarks and hiding a notification for an updated bookmark when its bookmark is opened. - friday 1.8.14: notifications feel integrated. - tuesday 5.8.14: visiting bookmarks feels nice (progress info, content filters and everything which is possible to speed up getting the site) - friday 8.8.14: added lots of polish: To make this a reality, you need to use it. And step back and use it again. Try every path through the interface and take notes about what feels strange. Then fix all these. - monday 11.8.14: do what is still missing. Here is the Suggested 'pencils down' date. Now take a week to scrub code, write tests, improve documentation, etc. - monday 18.8.14: Winterface has a polished bookmark-workflow and now show-stoppers, and it has a freesite which describes its basics (similar to the freesite of Sone - better Winterface, but as information site (with text and such)). It is polished, the Readme is up to date and building works for others. * The discussion (unpolished) #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE <ArneBab> planning on Winterface and GSoC <ArneBab> there is one hard deadline: August 11. <ArneBab> that’s the first pencils down. Afterwards there should only be polishing and such. <ArneBab> August 18. is the firm pencils down: We cannot take anything into account for the eval after that. <ArneBab> so there are two and a half weeks left. <ArneBab> we can split the tasks for that <ArneBab> what’s needed to make Winterface usable. <ArneBab> we need: At least one use-case really finished and no complete show-stoppers. <ArneBab> (finished means: Much nicer to use than in fproxy) <ArneBab> The usecase it can fullfill is the bookmark-using workflow. <ArneBab> A show-stopper would be not being able to reach the plugins: Essentially the mockup-links we currently see on the winterface dashboard should all work. <ArneBab> (for the wiki we might have to use a jfniki-site: We don’t yet have the wiki in freenet) <ArneBab> most show-stoppers should be fixable with the workaround of forwarding to the relevant fproxy site - that way Winterface can be used even while parts are unfinished. <ArneBab> for the workflows to make nice <ArneBab> firstoff it’s finishing the bookmark-workflow: open a link, show update info, edit the bookmarks. <ArneBab> and add a bookmark by clicking on the bookmark-link on a freesite. <ArneBab> I don’t know whether it’s realistic to get plugin-pages integrated. <ArneBab> but I think it’s more important to have one workflow which works really well instead of 3 which work halfways. <ArneBab> also because it’s much more fun to have something which is really good in one respect and extend it into other areas than to polish many rough edges on something which tries to do everything <ArneBab> If we could get a whole round-trip of site-upload, adding bookmarks, sharing bookmarks on darknet and visiting bookmarks, that would make one of the basic and working features of Freenet more enjoyable again. <ArneBab> (site upload essentially just means folder upload) <ArneBab> (but it could also just mean flog helper) <ArneBab> (so integrating one plugin) <ArneBab> but then flog helper needs WoT, and we can currently do site-uploads with external tools (jSite) <ArneBab> a guide on using those might be enough to get the round-trip going. <ArneBab> so reduced version: Adding bookmarks and tracking sites via bookmarks. <ArneBab> this includes notifications because they are needed for tracking bookmarks <ArneBab> and lots of polish - like automatically uncollapsing a bookmark category when one of the contained bookmarks got updated. <ArneBab> to clean this up: <ArneBab> === kill show-stoppers === <ArneBab> - forward all not yet working links to fproxy <ArneBab> - link wiki to http://127.0.0.1:8088/USK@z6lnOx7PPe16P3Sobu1KM9jiLiIxdvE3L918QMVCLak,AmZ7RemmWcKM2-W4Zs38Ks511lRTsWleMj2mVAReB4E,AQACAAE/freenetdocwiki/17/ <ArneBab> - add a visit-link in the fproxy page for Winterface which has a link to Winterface (the configured port). <ArneBab> - make the config entry for Winterface in FProxy nice (add a localizable string) <ArneBab> === make the Winterface bookmarks-workflow enjoyable === <ArneBab> - edit bookmarks conveniently <ArneBab> - visiting bookmarks which feels nice (progress info, content filters and everything which is possible to speed up getting the site) <ArneBab> - tracking bookmarks (i.e. show notifications at the bookmarks) <ArneBab> lots of polish - like automatically uncollapsing a bookmark category when one of the contained bookmarks got updated. <ArneBab> === / minimal === <ArneBab> for opening in a new tab: Everything which forwards to fproxy should open in a new tab <ArneBab> for the “talk to people” links: link to the subpages of the freenet social networking guide. <ArneBab> Prometheas: do you think you can kill the show-stoppers till sunday? <ArneBab> polish: add a small javascript for reload winterface which checks whether the new winterface is available before reloading. -*- ArneBab now sees the freenet version in winterface - nice! <Prometheas> ArneBab: yes, would like to ask about where to place the link to Winterface, especially since not all users will have the plugin installed <ArneBab> I think for that there are 2 parts: (1) Have a freesite on Winterface which we can put into the default bookmarks. <ArneBab> and (2) have a small page in the plugins with a link to the correct port. <ArneBab> maybe also (3): add a menu entry, but that would clutter up the menu. <Prometheas> there is also this http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/freenet.winterface.core.WinterfacePlugin <ArneBab> the goal is to get people to use Winterface as the web interface they open by default <ArneBab> Can you actually put a link there? <ArneBab> a first step would be to give it a label (so it isn’t called ConfigToadlet.freenet.winterface.core.WinterfacePlugin.label, but rather Winterface) <Prometheas> great <ArneBab> I think you can put anything in a site used by the [visit] button in the plugins list. <ArneBab> and for polish: make the rabbit in the top-left a clickable link to the winterface dashboard. <ArneBab> Prometheas: the node control in the bottom right does not work, yet. Can you make it work? <Prometheas> "I think you can put anything in a site used by the [visit] button in the plugins list." where is that? <Prometheas> haven't checked it yet, there is access to the Node etc, I think it will be straightforward <ArneBab> have a look at the UPnP plugin <ArneBab> for shutdown you can use an FCP message <Prometheas> ok <ArneBab> I don’t see one for restart, though. <ArneBab> so maybe take out the restart button. <Prometheas> let's see if it is possible <ArneBab> so sunday: blockers are gone. I can click the App→Sone link in Winterface (if I have Sone running) to get to the Sone page of fproxy in a new tab. <ArneBab> no restart button in Winterface, the Shutdown button calls shutdown via FCP. <ArneBab> all visible-links are clickable. non-implemented functionality links to fproxy. <Prometheas> there seems to be no FCP message for restarting a node. On the other side, there is a message for plugin reloading <Prometheas> and subscribing to a USK, which can be another way to implement the updated bookmark notification <ArneBab> just cut out the restarting of freenet from Winterface then. <p0s|xor-freenet> (separating UI from the core seems a logical thing to do for a proper user interface, should be encouraged, yes) <p0s|xor-freenet> (so use FCP for everything) <Prometheas> is this wiki page https://wiki.freenetproject.org/FCPv2 up to date? <ArneBab> then till wednesday: clicking away notifications and editing bookmarks *nicely*. <ArneBab> replace till wednesday: clicking away notifications, showing notifications for bookmarks and hiding a notification for an updated bookmark when its bookmark is opened. <ArneBab> on wednesday notifications should feel integrated. <Prometheas> removing fred dependency is a very big task <ArneBab> don’t try to remove it completely. <ArneBab> just don’t make the dependency bigger. <Prometheas> especially since there are no messages for everything (eg bookmarks) <ArneBab> don’t make the dependency bigger *if you can avoid it* <ArneBab> there are some structures we obviously want to reuse. <ArneBab> (because they are user-data) <Prometheas> there is the QueueHelper class in Winterface to start with fcp <ArneBab> sunday = 27.7.14, wednesday = 30.7.14, friday = 1.8.14 <ArneBab> tuesday 5.8.14: visiting bookmarks feels nice (progress info, content filters and everything which is possible to speed up getting the site) <GitHub164> [plugin-WebOfTrust] xor-freenet pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/uj3iOw <GitHub164> plugin-WebOfTrust/master 6b06e3c xor-freenet: Revert "Fix WOT not starting due to DatabaseMaximumSizeReachedException:"... <-- GitHub164 (~GitHub164@192.30.252.42) hat #freenet verlassen <ArneBab> friday 8.8.14: added lots of polish: To make this a reality, you need to use it. And step back and use it again. Try every path through the interface and take notes about what feels strange. Then fix all these. <ArneBab> monday 11.8.14: do what is still missing. Here is the Suggested 'pencils down' date. Now take a week to scrub code, write tests, improve documentation, etc. <ArneBab> monday 18.8.14: Winterface has a polished bookmark-workflow and now show-stoppers, and it has a freesite which describes its basics (similar to the freesite of Sone - better Winterface, but as information site (with text and such)). <p0s|xor-freenet> .... WOT status report for today: just fixed another corruption issue :) the number of issues blocking a release is now down to 7, of which 2 can be substracted because they are caused by the same underlying issue very likely, so effectively we are at 5 issues. i would say its 2-3 weeks of work, because one of them involves significant refactoring. but it is needed to allow the web interface to be de-synchronized, which will make it a lot <p0s|xor-freenet> faster because it won't block when WOT background processing is running <ArneBab> still 18.8.14: It is polished, the Readme is up to date and building works for others. <ArneBab> p0s|xor-freenet: nice! <ArneBab> Prometheas: do you have the date-based paln? <ArneBab> plan <Prometheas> yes, and a different strategy for communicating with fred <ArneBab> yepp - but for future functionality. <ArneBab> don’t go into refactoring everything which exists. You don’t have the time for that. <Prometheas> ok <ArneBab> you should trigger a release at every milestone/deadline. <ArneBab> and do increase the version-numbers: You’re adding real functionality. <p0s|xor-freenet> ArneBab: thanks... we're getting there... i'm not happy to have the large blocking issue of refactoring remaining but its necessary. explained it in depth to operhiem1 yesterday, read the backlog if you're interested <ArneBab> (though the filename can simply stay winterface.jar to allow for automatic updating) <ArneBab> p0s|xor-freenet: I already read it ☺ <p0s|xor-freenet> ArneBab: ok fine :) <ArneBab> Prometheas, p0s|xor-freenet: But now I need to get to bed. My night ends in less than 4 hours. <ArneBab> cu and happy hacking! <p0s|xor-freenet> ArneBab: see you tomorrow, sleep well <ArneBab> you too! <Prometheas> good night! <Prometheas> and thank you for breaking down the tasks to deadlines <ArneBab> good night to you, too! #+END_EXAMPLE -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. - Arne (http://draketo.de)
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