On 05/11/15 22:41, Bob Ham wrote: > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 22:33 +0000, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> On 05/11/15 22:21, Bob Ham wrote: >>> On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +0000, Matthew Toseland wrote: >>>> On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote: >>>>> That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm still not entirely sure which >>>>> are the "fundamental" problems Toad spoke of >>>> Okay, I will give some here, since people are being a bit more civil. >>>> >>>> In brief: >>> I'm glad you answered, thanks. Could you possibly help clarify some of >>> the issues? >>> >>> (I'm disregarding opennet, social issues, implementation issues, >>> applications, etc.; my focus is on the fundamental technical and >>> theoretical possibility of the Freenet protocol, or a Freenet-like >>> protocol.) >>> >>>> -- Tunnels are possible >>> What kind of tunnels do you mean? Why is their possibility a problem? >>>> -- General Sybil problem: *Every* resource is cheaper for an attacker >>>> than a lowest common denominator new user. Unless we can e.g. charge for >>>> entry to opennet. >>> Is Sybil relevant outside of opennet? >> Sorry for my shorthand. These two were specifically related to opennet. >> Tunnels are possible on darknet, but would reduce invisibility. > I'm still not clear on what you mean by "tunnels"? Onion / Mixmaster encrypted source routing. E.g. ShadowWalker, PISCES, Mixminion, etc. Freenet can potentially use long-term tunnels (true mixes) for inserts on darknet, but we also need real-time tunnels for requests. This can be done on darknet (PISCES), or on opennet (ShadowWalker). However IMHO it is not the most urgent concern for security: The best thing we can do to improve the practical security of Freenet is make darknet fast (e.g. friend-of-a-friend links) and convenient (easier noderef exchange, better support for using peers for NAT traversal etc). And yes, these are implementation details - but they matter. >>>> - Darknet security: Pitch Black (believed to be solvable). >>> Can you expand on the belief that this problem is solvable? >> Oskar has proposed a solution. > What was the proposal? It's on the bug tracker: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3919
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