On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 09:48:55PM +0000, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> We cannot just use a progress bar.

Oh?  What was wrong with Simon's proposal?  I see no reason that we 
couldn't do that.

> We cannot make it entirely transparent.

No, but we can do our best.

> What do you prefer? Obviously we can lose the bottom two
> frames, but the top and middle frame (which could be a single document)
> need to stay unless we change the concept radically.

Well, We can definitely keep this concept for a "Show details..." type 
dialog, but by default I think we should do something similar to Simon's 
suggestion.

> Any sort of graphical representation is likely to piss off users of not
> only lynx but even "links".

Not really, it is possible to make most graphical representations look 
ok in text if you are smart about it - but I don't think you can ever do 
that with frames.

> The newbie must see something. A progress bar that stalls for an hour
> while downloading the first 128MB is completely unacceptable. EVEN if it
> is backed by a fuller interface _if you know where it is and dig for
> it_. Lusers don't read if they can avoid it and they have relatively
> little curiosity - we can't expect them to know that there is a full
> status monitor buried on the web interface somewhere.

I don't disagree, I think Simon's proposal addresses this concern.

> > Another idea, which on thinking about it, might be more attractive to 
> > you guys, is to pop open a borderless window which conveys this 
> > information, but tries to look at-least something like a normal download 
> > window that the user will be familiar with (similar size etc).
> Um, you were complaining about javascript hacks before. Can you open a
> borderless window without using javascript?

I ment a browser window with no tool-bar, not completely borderless.

Ian.

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