> I'm not really trying to discuss how the builds should be signed > (another discussion really),
No, it's not. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED ON EMU EITHER! and it's not because we are doing it wrong at the moment that we should extend the "bad" behaviour. > but trying to figure out why you can sign > the compiled .jars, but not the compiled .exe installer? > jarsigner is bundled in any jdk; I don't know any PE signer for linux. > >> 2) The topic wasn't really about which platform to pack on, but if to > >> build and pack on the same platform. It isn't preferred to build > >> applications for platform A on platform B, but since we have 1 emu, > >> which runs platform B, we will have to do with that. AHK is supported by > >> Wine, which runs on Linux, so I don't really see the big problem > >> (besides spending time installing Wine, which we already have an > >> argument going on about) > >> > >> > > > > You are thinking about your installer here and not others. Tomorrow > > sanity will want his macos installer to be built there too; how do you > > do that? What about win64? ... > > > > So because we have the possibility to do improvements for one platform, > we shouldn't - because we might not be able to do so for all the other > platforms? I'd say thats a poor policy. I think it is just fine to use > native installers where possible, and fall back to a generic for > platforms we cannot support with native installers (or packages, or dmg > files or whatever). > I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it is: special cases suck and should be avoided. It's not like there wasn't any alternative. > >>>>>> I'd argue that most > >>>>>> coders can figure out how AHK works quite easily though. There are a > >>>>>> bunch of examples on the AHK site (e.g. > >>>>>> http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/scripts/VolumeOSD.htm) if anyone is > >>>>>> interested. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> We all have soooo much free time on our hands that we would eager learn > >>>>> that new, windows-only technology. Oh, and that's also why we do have a > >>>>> native windows installer since before 0.7 started too btw. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Can't we drop the sarcastical tone for once, please? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> What am I supposed to do here? The three options I see are > >>> - ignoring you for good, even on the mailing lists > >>> - being sarcastic > >>> - cry, depress and eventually get drunk enough to forget about the > >>> stupid technical solutions proposed. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> What about: > >> 4) Be mature and discuss the subject in a proper manner for the greater > >> benefit of Freenet > >> > >> > > > > That's what I have tried to do until now but I will eventually give up. > > > > I happen to be familiar with both the installation-related issues and > > the infrastructure ones and that's why the debate is mostly in between > > you and me. The catch is that I am not willing to spend time on it; I am > > not interested by native installers anymore. > > > > > > If I look back at the discussions we've had the last couple of weeks, > I'd say you have been acting like that from the start of. Hell, even > back when I wrote the Windows update script I met the same attitude. > > Good thing that other people can look into it when you don't want to, then. > Don't worry: that's the last reply you will get from me. I have more important things to spare my free time on. > >> I'm not throwing sarcastic comments at you just because I don't agree > >> with you. > >> > > > > Most of the questions you are asking have already been asked, debated > > and answered in the past. I am pissed to see that the project is doing > > over and over the same mistakes. > > > > We spent *days* on endless debates, eventually found a conclusion but are > > going to do it again over the exact same issues whereas nothing has > > changed. > > > > > > I don't recall we found conclusions to all the problems? Unless you are > referring to discussions without me? I am. > I don't suppose toad would have > posted those mails in the first place, if we already had found the best > solutions? > Yeah it would be great if we were documenting but we aren't. > >> It would be nice if you was willing to communicate on the same > >> terms. > >> > >> > > > > I am not preventing you from using the sarcastical tone. > > > > > > I know, but I'm not willing to. I think it's much better to communicate > on a mature plan without the need of things like sarcastic comments when > you don't agree with eachother. > I don't see how sarcastic implies "non mature". -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20081212/2f54535c/attachment.pgp>
