On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:42:13PM -0500, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Florent Daigniere < > nextgens at freenetproject.org> wrote: > > > > 3. "kick-ass design" is not a goal > > > > I've never said it is either. What I was doing is reminding Ian (sanity) > > what > > his points and arguments have been over the years. > > > > How kind of you, my memory is getting a little rusty in my old age. >
You're welcome :? > > > He's the one who has been pushing for a rewrite of fproxy and as far as I > > understood, his train of thought so far has been the following: > > - the design of the current interface sucks > > => we need to do something about it as it repels users > > - good coders are bad designers... > > - good designers are not coders... > > > > No, but the overlapping set of good coders that are also good designers is * > extremely* small - I can count those I've met on one hand (actually my wife > is one of them - but she thinks you're all too grouchy for her to work on > Freenet's UI :-( ). > I am glad we agree so far :) I love the rabbit logo, she's the author, isn't she? So to sum up, we have the choice in between finding a five legged sheep or simplifying the requirements by addopting a 'framework' non-coders can use... > > => we need a templating engine both can use and work with > > - designers don't know nor use any templating engines > > > > I never said that, I've worked with many designers that have worked with > templating engines. > I obviously misunderstood your point at the time then. Was it that we should switch to a 'mainstream/trendy' engine because that's what most designers know? If not, would you mind explaining what it was? > > > => we need plain HTML so that designers can keep on using their favourite > > Adobe tool > > > > As I mentioned in my last email, I think it's been almost a decade since I > worked with a designer that wasn't comfortable working with HTML and CSS > directly. > I might have been mistaken regarding wysiwyg editor; In any case, neither the current Fproxy nor any solution involving GWT would enable designers to access both the CSS and HTML... and the current Fproxy is good enough if only CSS changes are required. Florent
