On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 16:15, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Denis, devs, > > > > Just for the record, I am going to reiterate what I mentioned on IRC > about > > this and generally about workspaces vs farm in XEM: > > > > Normally, this should be covered in an "Upgrade Instructions" > documentation > > section for farm users that want to upgrade to the latest version of XEM. > > > > While the old XEM (specifically the WikiManager module) did not really > care > > about the subwiki template and only offered the possibility to create one > > for you should you need it, the new XEM (specifically the Workspace > module) > > depends on the existence of a workspace template which, for ease of setup > > (and not the opposite :) ) is created automatically when accessing > > WorkspaceManager.Install. This document is also included in the new > > homepage so that, once you open XEM the first time, everything is up and > > going and you can create a new workspace immediately. > > This was done for simplicity and for eliminating one install step for > > regular use cases. > > > > If you want to do advanced setup, like specify your own base template > > instead of the default XE, you can go to WorkspaceManager.Install and > > change the attached template xar. > > > > But you will have a template already installed by that time, so how would > it works ? > > Yes. 1. Go to WorkspaceManager.Install and change the workspace-template.xar attachment with the one you`d like to use. 2. Go to WikiManager.WebHome and delete the default "workspacetemplate" subwiki template 3. Go back on the homepage or WorkspaceManager.Install to install your new template. > > > If you don`t want to use Workspaces, then you have 2 options: > > 1. Upgrade selectively and exclude Workspace related things from the > > imported xar. > > > > Need to have RTFM first and have a good knowledge of how workspace is > implemented. > > > > 2. Don`t upgrade the XEM distribution, but upgrade only the farm related > > modules (wikiManager component and application) either manually, or by > > using the Extension Manager. > > > > This is far from enough for a real upgrade, since many admin stuff are left > broken. > > Well, I should have also mentioned that, besides the farm related modules, you can also update the XE xar which would cover all the admin related stuff (administration application, activity stream, etc) that you mentioned :) > > > Now, coming back to the actual discussed issue, I`m -0 on Denis' > proposal. > > > > I see this implemented as a warning in the homepage that links to the > > WorkspaceManager.Install page that tells the user to go there and click > > there whether or not to install the workspace template. The Create > > workspace page will also display this and will not work until the user > > finishes the installation. > > > > This does not have to be out of the home page as a warning. This could be, > as Fabio proposed, a popup on the home page that explains the needs to > create a template DB for workspace and provide an OK/Cancel before > proceeding. This have both the advantage of not creating a DB (which could > be long) with the acknowledgment of the user, and to allow farm user to > prevent that DB to be created. It should be a cancel once for all, creating > the template would then be the work of WorkspaceManager.Install, with a > similar procedure, but not a cancel once for all. > > Sure, it sounds doable. Thanks, Eduard > > > However, with this approach, we will be certain that on *every* first > > startup of XEM, *any* user will see a warning. The existing approach > > > > Not warning, but a setup proposal. > > > > displays an error as Denis is mentioning *only* if the wikiManager plugin > > fails to create the workspace template automatically, either because XEM > is > > started on HSQLDB or because the xwiki database user does not have create > > database rights. > > > > And when the error occurs, the user is conscious of what is in progress. > > > > In any case, I`d like to see some other opinions on this. Waiting for the > > results of the vote... > > > > I really would like as well. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > I have just installed the XEM distribution has an upgrade of an > existing > > > farm. > > > I have discovered that the new distribution cause an new DB to be > created > > > without any confirmation on first access to Main.WebHome to contains > the > > > workspace template required by the new workspace feature. IMO, this > does > > > not follow the vote we have had before about this change, since > existing > > > user of XEM are immediately impacted by the new feature. I would have > > been > > > -1 if I would have been aware of this. > > > > > > Creating the new database this way has for me some inconveniences: > > > > > > - For new user, after having a possibly hard time setting up the > > > server, there first successful access on the wiki could end in an > error, > > > since the creation of the new database could goes wrong. > > > > > > - For existing user, a new database is created without there agreement > > on > > > there farm. If they delete it, it will probably came back again and > > > again... They really need to understand that the simple access to the > > home > > > page cause the creation of a new database. > > > > > > IMO, these are not good first experiences with the new release. I > propose > > > that the creation of the new database requires at least a user > > > confirmation, and that if the user do not confirm, it should not be > tried > > > anymore. This will have two advantage, the user is well aware that a > > other > > > new database is under creation in case of error, and existing farm user > > > will have an easy way out. > > > > > > WDYT ? > > > > > > -- > > > Denis Gervalle > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > eGuilde sarl - CTO > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Denis Gervalle > SOFTEC sa - CEO > eGuilde sarl - CTO > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
