Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > Let me recap: > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > > -- > > About E: > Some issues IMHO: > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > when you are in the subwiki. > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be > confusing? > I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme. To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis. I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else. > > Thanks, > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: > > > > > > == Proposal D == > > > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over > the > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > > entry > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > > "Wiki > > > Index" for example. > > > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo > as > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi developers. > > > > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > > Workspace > > > in > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > > > Workspaces > > > > activated". > > > > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which > was > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > > have > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > > > > > > == Proposal A == > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > > > Logged as admin: > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > > Not logged as admin: > > > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > > > > > > > > You can get it from this commit: > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > > > > > > > > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > > In your screenshot is: > > * Home > > ** Administer Main Wiki > > ** Wiki Directory > > > > What it was proposed: > > * Home > > ** Administration > > ** Wikis Index > > ** .... > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > > - "Administration" > > or > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > > > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current > > > menus: > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > > in > > > a > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > > > > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > > > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > current > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > > > several > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in > the > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > > "main" > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > > > users > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > > menu > > > > "System" or "XWiki". > > > > > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > displays > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > > > content. > > > > It does not look good. > > > > > > > In the proposal there is > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could > also > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in > the > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, > we > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > > > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > > > once > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > > > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > in > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > > > > > > > > > > == Proposal B == > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so > we > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > > > > B). > > > > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > > side, > > > we > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > > > achieve > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > > > "System" > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we > put > > it > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > > confusing. > > > > > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". > The > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location > in > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > actions. > > > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > > own. > > > > > > > > > > > > == Proposal C == > > > > We had also this idea: > > > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main > Wiki" > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > > > > > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > > do? > > > Do > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because > he > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > > > changed > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > > > Current implementation: > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > > > > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > > > > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > > > regarding > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must > have > > a > > > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > > > -1 for proposal C. > > > > > > > > > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > > * Home > > ** Administration > > ** --- > > ** Wikis Index/Directory > > ** Documents Index > > > > (Home/mainwiki) > > * Home > > ** Watch Home > > ** Administer Home > > ** --- > > ** Wikis Index > > ** Documents Index > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > > > Louis-Marie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
