Hi Caleb, Is the OT implementation the same as the Jupiter OT implementation or is it a complete rewrite ? It would be great to have some documentation about this.
Ludovic 2014-02-11 5:04 GMT+01:00 Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]>: > > > On 02/10/2014 05:47 PM, Ludovic Dubost wrote: > > Hi Caleb > > > > I gave it a try and the first impression is quite nice. We got rid of the > > issues we had with the non text area used in the previous one. > > > > Le lundi 10 février 2014, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> a > écrit : > > > >> Hi Paul, > >> > >> This is an interesting idea, being able to dump the core state of the > >> engine. > >> I did not know that the old Jupiter based engine was able to become > >> desynchronized, > >> thanks for the information. > >> > >> The cjdrt engine is based on a unique design which is more similar to > >> Bitcoin than > >> it is to any previous realtime engine. This design forces the clients to > >> eventually > >> come to consensus on something (even if it's wrong). If you open the > >> console, you > > > > > > On this does it mean there is no OT at all ? And we are not using Jupiter > > anymore ? > > > Technically it falls in the category of OT but whereas the previous project > used a Jupiter implementation which was spread between the server and the > client, this is a (the first ever) pure client-side implementation written > entirely by me and which should solve the problems that made WYSIWYG and > portability so difficult. > > > Thanks, > Caleb > > > > > > Ludovic > > > > > > > >> will see the engine is still configured to log debug messages explaining > >> what it's > >> doing but unfortunately if there is a real bug which causes desync, the > >> historical > >> information of where the node went wrong is not going to be available at > >> this time > >> but I'll take this under consideration and if any bugs do turn out to > crop > >> up, I > >> will be fast-tracking this idea. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Caleb > >> > >> > >> On 02/08/2014 05:37 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote: > >>> Caleb, > >>> > >>> another wish to make it production ready: include a good "debug dump" > >> function so that users can produce reports when testing it. > >>> > >>> We've been trying the earlier version of the real-time-editor (it's > >> still there actually) and had quite an amount of surprising effects; > some > >> of them may be related to paste, but not only. I had the impression of > >> regularly meeting a garbage state at the server, where different clients > >> had different views (we were speaking in Skype). The only way I could > fix > >> the inconsistency was to restart the server. Hence the suggestion of a > >> stronger reporting facility so that such critical situations can be > >> reported about and tackled in a maturation cycle out in the wild. > >>> > >>> paul > >>> > >>> > >>> Le 8 févr. 2014 à 10:39, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> a > >> écrit : > >>> > >>>> Hi Caleb, > >>>> > >>>> I've just tried and it works well! Well done this is very cool :) > >>>> > >>>> Now if we want to make this production-ready we would need (IMO) at > >> least one additional feature which is the ability to view the list of > other > >> users editing the page and color markers per user to show who's adding > what. > >>>> > >>>> Note that I haven't checked the code yet. Is it some prototype-quality > >> code or is it following the xwiki core rules and ready for being > maintained? > >>>> > >>>> I guess you've also used some hacks for lack of UI extension points > (as > >> in the lock screen and on the edit screen where you added some extra > text > >> which I assumed you implemented in Javascript?) which would need to be > >> added. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> -Vincent > >>>> > >>>> On 6 Feb 2014 at 06:42:03, Caleb James DeLisle ([email protected] > >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm very pleased to announce two new extensions to come out of > >> XWikiSAS Research > >>>>> and the RESILIENCE Research project. > >>>>> > >>>>> Number One: WebSockets in XWiki! > >>>>> If you're an extension developer like me, you want events, you want > >> stuff in the > >>>>> browser to be talking to stuff in the wiki and you don't want to be > >> messing around > >>>>> with Jetty and Tomcat and all different kinds of libraries and > >> configuration every > >>>>> time you need to write an application. You just want stuff that > works. > >>>>> Here it is: > >>>>> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/WebSocket > >>>>> Include this as a dependency for your extension and the Extension > >> Manager will > >>>>> automatically include it when users install your extension. In just a > >> few lines of > >>>>> code, your users can be chatting and collaborating through the > >> websocket and it's > >>>>> based on Netty (Special thanks to the Atmosphere project for > >> developing Nettosphere) > >>>>> so it works in all versions of Tomcat and Jetty and does not need any > >> changes to the > >>>>> front-end server, just open a port on the JVM machine and you're > done. > >>>>> > >>>>> Number Two: A new Realtime Collaborative WikiText Editor. > >>>>> Indeed this is not the first attempt at Realtime Collaborative > editing > >> but perhaps > >>>>> it is the most academically amusing. Really this is a prototype to > get > >> a handle on > >>>>> the technology before we make the leap into Realtime WYSIWYG. Whereas > >> the previous > >>>>> Realtime Collaborative WikiText editor had performance issues and was > >> unable to > >>>>> handle large pasted, the new editor uses a completely novel design > >> which is intended > >>>>> to not only port well to WYSIWYG editing but is implemented entirely > >> on the client > >>>>> with the server only relaying messages, making it portable to > >> different web frameworks. > >>>>> > >>>>> Check out the Realtime Collaborative WikiText Editor here: > >>>>> > >> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RealTime+Wiki+Editor > >>>>> > >>>>> or install it with the Extension Manager to give it a try for > yourself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Disclamer: This is still new and might not work pro > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
