I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose nor abusing the extra space we have in the top menu.
What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell item for generic "notifications"? Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown in https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/e42432d3d7bfb5eebd203bbcc3ec2748 ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have the 2 watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown shown in http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/proposal-3-closer.png) which would also show their states. This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more actions section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions in the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the information that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all the other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information in one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the watch buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had this information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown. And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to proposal 3 ( http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/proposal-3-closer.png ), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon instead :) Thanks, Eduard On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote: > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3: > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/proposal-3-closer.png > > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following: > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.Watchlisticoninthetopbar2Binthemenu > > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge proposed > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu. > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu with a > "bell" icon, such as: > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/e42432d3d7bfb5eebd203bbcc3ec2748 > > WDYT? > > Thanks, > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > [email protected]>: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded, would > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page and > its > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming future) > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user is > watching. > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the current > > document) > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified > > (notifications) > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications, but > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to the > current > > document. > > > > Thanks, > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/New-Facebook-Notifications-Window-Feb-5-2010.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.emptycache.com/photographylxft/facebook-notifications&h=367&w=465&tbnid=jxUuuCSlEd-V1M:&docid=PXRPpBhosbTaDM&ei=Sh8yVujcDYW0sQHKyrPQCA&tbm=isch&ved=0CFMQMygXMBdqFQoTCOipye_k58gCFQVaLAodSuUMig > > > but with the two options included. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eduard > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I like it. What about the others? > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 [email protected] <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 [email protected] : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space and that > it > > > > > doesn’t > > > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in the same > > line > > > > > than > > > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more vertical space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar as > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page (is it > watched > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". To me, > > > > notifications > > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has been > > received > > > or > > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform about > the > > > > state > > > > > of > > > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are about > "events", > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > about "state”. > > > > > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I was > > referring > > > to > > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the existing > > > search > > > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to what exists > > on > > > > OSX. > > > > > > > > > > For example check the top right of > > > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg > (they > > > > call > > > > > it menu bar icons). > > > > > > > > > > I like this better because: > > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we have > lots > > of > > > > > available horizontal space > > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > > > > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and states > there. > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this > page > > > and > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this > > > page". > > > > > If > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the > > parent > > > > page > > > > > > > (it's > > > > > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on > every > > > > page. > > > > > We > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to > > the > > > > > Actions > > > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can > > > > perform > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its > > > > children". > > > > > And > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit > > > > watch" > > > > > > > (either > > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with > > > > children"). > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference between explicit and > > > implicit > > > > > > > watch, in > > > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > > Delhumeau > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus re-organization > > has > > > > > > > deviated to > > > > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the > > > > discussion > > > > > on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
