Hi, I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.Watchlisticoninanewnotificationtopmenu2BIntegratedSwitched
Thanks, Caty On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > I've attached a mock-up of your idea there: > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.Watchlisticoninanewnotificationtopmenu > > > > Some thoughts: > > > > * the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the > > watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent. > > > > > > > So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count of > > unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in facebook: > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1/7cfd8bb2771409f1abf89bf2b4dc9c81 > > ) > > > > Yes, we'll need something like this. > > > > > > * the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a > more > > global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification > > area so it's ok and quite intuitive. > > > > * it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as > before > > in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot > > (nothing compared to a modal box to open). > > > > > > If everyone agrees, I can implement this way. > > > > Thanks, > > > > 2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > [email protected]>: > > > > > Edy's proposal sounds ok to me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Marius > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose > nor > > > > abusing the extra space we have in the top menu. > > > > > > > > What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell > > > item > > > > for generic "notifications"? > > > > Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/e42432d3d7bfb5eebd203bbcc3ec2748 > > > > ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have > the 2 > > > > watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown > shown > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/proposal-3-closer.png > > > > ) > > > > which would also show their states. > > > > > > > > This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more > actions > > > > section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions > > in > > > > the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the > > information > > > > that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all > the > > > > other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information > > in > > > > one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the > > > watch > > > > buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had > > this > > > > information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown. > > > > > > > > And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to > proposal > > 3 > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/proposal-3-closer.png > > > > ), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon > > instead > > > :) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/proposal-3-closer.png > > > > > > > > > > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.Watchlisticoninthetopbar2Binthemenu > > > > > > > > > > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge > > > proposed > > > > > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu. > > > > > > > > > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu > with > > a > > > > > "bell" icon, such as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/e42432d3d7bfb5eebd203bbcc3ec2748 > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when > expanded, > > > > would > > > > > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current > page > > > and > > > > > its > > > > > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming > > > > future) > > > > > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user is > > > > > watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > > > > > > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the > current > > > > > > document) > > > > > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified > > > > > > (notifications) > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal > > notifications, > > > > but > > > > > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to > the > > > > > current > > > > > > document. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/New-Facebook-Notifications-Window-Feb-5-2010.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.emptycache.com/photographylxft/facebook-notifications&h=367&w=465&tbnid=jxUuuCSlEd-V1M:&docid=PXRPpBhosbTaDM&ei=Sh8yVujcDYW0sQHKyrPQCA&tbm=isch&ved=0CFMQMygXMBdqFQoTCOipye_k58gCFQVaLAodSuUMig > > > > > > > but with the two options included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like it. What about the others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 [email protected] < > > > [email protected] > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 [email protected] : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space > and > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > doesn’t > > > > > > > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in > the > > > > same > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more > vertical > > > > space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top menu > > bar > > > > as > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page (is > it > > > > > watched > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". To > me, > > > > > > > > notifications > > > > > > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has > been > > > > > > received > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are about > > > > > "events", > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > about "state”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I > was > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the > > > existing > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to > what > > > > exists > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > OSX. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example check the top right of > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg > > > > > (they > > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > it menu bar icons). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this better because: > > > > > > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > > > > > > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we > > have > > > > > lots > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > available horizontal space > > > > > > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and > > states > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch > > > this > > > > > page > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only > "Watch > > > > this > > > > > > > page". > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to > > the > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > > (it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed > > on > > > > > every > > > > > > > > page. > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional > > > entry > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Actions > > > > > > > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the > > user > > > > can > > > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and > > its > > > > > > > > children". > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", > > > > "Implicit > > > > > > > > watch" > > > > > > > > > > > (either > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched > > "with > > > > > > > > children"). > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference between explicit > > and > > > > > > > implicit > > > > > > > > > > > watch, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume > > > "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > > > Delhumeau > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus > > > > re-organization > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > deviated to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue > > the > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > > > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
