On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:09 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On 11 Jan 2016 at 15:08:12, [email protected] ([email protected](mailto: > [email protected])) wrote: > > > Note that if the admin doesn’t want to show multiple editors to its > user, he should not install multiple editors either :) > > > > (ofc there’s a problem right now in that the current editor is not an > extension that you can uninstall). > > > > For advanced users, I still think it’s best to show all the active > editors (in addition to the default which is set by the admin - We could > have “(Default)” next to it in the menu. With UC3 the admin can decide > whether he wants to make only 1 editor avail or several. > > Which is kind of nice if you want to let your users testdrive some new > editor (such as the Realtime one for example - it’d be a pain to have to go > back to the your profile and constantly switch back and forth between > editors) > The purpose of users is to get the job done, not test and experiment with different editors. Thanks, Caty > > Thanks > Vincent > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > > On 11 Jan 2016 at 14:52:46, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I prefer B: I prefer to have things simpler for the user, while > providing > > > power to the administrator. > > > > > > There can be multiple extensions that integrate themselves inside that > menu > > > (like the real-time editor) but I don't see that as a benefit for the > user, > > > but more confusing about all the types of editors. > > > > > > We already have 3 modes: WYSIWYG, Wiki, Inline + Objects + Class .... > we > > > need to find ways to simplify that, rather than adding more things in > the > > > menu (even if only for advanced users). > > > > > > The administrator should select the preferred editor from > Configuration - > > > Edit Mode Settings - Editor - Default Editor (for the farm or per > wiki). > > > The user will use the default value provided by admin or overwrite it > from > > > his User Preferences (if he is advanced and knows about the existence > of > > > multiple editors). > > > By default we should select the recommended editor to be used and this > > > should be changed just in exceptional / desired cases. > > > > > > Having multiple editors available is not something a normal user would > care > > > about and doesn't provide additional/different benefits for the user. > > > Important is to provide the best tool by default. > > > > > > When adding the CKEditor first you will need to configure the wiki in > order > > > to use it. After a testing period we can change the default editor if > we'd > > > like. > > > > > > Off topic: I think that the Page syntax preference in the Document > > > Information should be removed. There are not that many variations > between > > > 2.0 and 2.1 and I don't see why a normal user would care or want to > chance > > > the syntax. The users should rely on the default/recommended and the > > > default is configured from Administration. > > > > > > Comment A: "GWT WYSIWYG" that would look super cryptic :) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, [email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11 Jan 2016 at 14:16:40, Marius Dumitru Florea ( > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected] > )) > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > > > > > > > I prefer to think in term of use cases. Here are the ones I see > as > > > > > > important on this topic and that I think we need to ensure that > we > > > > > > implement: > > > > > > > > > > > > UC1: Ability for admins to install an extension that contributes > a new > > > > > > editor > > > > > > UC2: Ability for admins to select which editor is the default > editor > > > > for > > > > > > their users in a given wiki (note that ideally this configuration > > > > should be > > > > > > per wiki for the farm use case) > > > > > > UC3: Ability for admins to decide which editors are active (i.e. > which > > > > > > editors users will be able to configure or use). For example it > should > > > > be > > > > > > possible to completely replace the GWT-based WYSIWYG by > CKEeditor and > > > > > > preventing any user from using the GWT-based WYSIWYG editor. > > > > > > UC4: Ability for a user (simple or advanced) to explicitly > decide which > > > > > > default editors he/she’ll use (in his/her user profile probably). > > > > Should > > > > > > override the editor selected in UC2 (but they should only see > editors > > > > that > > > > > > are active, cf UC3) > > > > > > UC5: Ability for an advanced user to choose on the spot > (on-demand) the > > > > > > editor to use to edit a given page, bypassing the default editor. > > > > Should > > > > > > override the editor selected in UC4. > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these use cases are covered by both A and B so it doesn't help > me > > > > > choose one or the other. My question is more how to implement > these use > > > > > cases: using A or B? > > > > > > > > Ok cool if they’re covered by A and B (it wasn’t mentioned in your > email…). > > > > > > > > Note that currently there’s no default choice anymore for advanced > users > > > > when they edit a page and we’d need to put that back (that’s UC4). > > > > > > > > Apart from this, I think I prefer A) than B). > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11 Jan 2016 at 12:31:12, Marius Dumitru Florea ( > > > > > > [email protected](mailto: > [email protected])) > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on integrating CKEditor in XWiki and I'm wondering > how > > > > the > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > menu should reflect the fact that there are multiple editors > > > > available. I > > > > > > > see two options: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A) List all the available content editors in the Edit menu > (note > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > menu is visible only for advanced users). E.g. Wiki, GWT > WYSIWYG, > > > > > > CKEditor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PROS: > > > > > > > * easier to implement (because there is already an UIX for > this) > > > > > > > * easier to discover new content editors (e.g. after an admin > > > > installs an > > > > > > > extension that provides a content editor) > > > > > > > * ability to try a different content editor than the one > configured > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > without updating the configuration) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONS: > > > > > > > * the (advanced) user might not know, at first, which content > editor > > > > to > > > > > > > choose from the Edit menu > > > > > > > * once the user has a preferred editor the other content editor > > > > entries > > > > > > > become noise (the user may want to hide them) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (B) List only the edit modes in the Edit menu. E.g. Wiki, > WYSIWYG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PROS: > > > > > > > * easier to choose the edit mode (wiki/source vs. WYSIWYG) > > > > > > > * less crowded Edit menu (easier to scan, no noise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONS: > > > > > > > * the user needs to edit his profile to discover the available > > > > editors > > > > > > for > > > > > > > Wiki/WYSIWYG modes > > > > > > > * harder to try the new content editors (you need to update the > > > > > > > configuration) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see what we need for each option: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A) Needs: > > > > > > > * UIX in the Edit menu (already available) > > > > > > > * 1 configuration option ("editing.content.defaultEditor") to > > > > configure > > > > > > the > > > > > > > default editor (at farm/wiki/space/user level). We can probably > > > > extend > > > > > > the > > > > > > > "Default editor to use" preference from the user profile to > show all > > > > the > > > > > > > available content editors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (B) Needs: > > > > > > > * 3 configuration options: > > > > > > > ** default edit mode (Wiki vs. WYSIWYG), already available in > the > > > > user > > > > > > > profile > > > > > > > ** default Wiki mode editor (only one editor for now so we can > skip > > > > it) > > > > > > > ** default WYSIWYG mode editor (GWT-based vs. CKEditor) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm leaning towards option (A). 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