I think there are multiple issues - Lars has spelled out 2, but I think Nayeem and I are pointing to a third one, namley:
How does the poor data entry clerk know which fields are "compulsory" when there is no asterisk or other indication of it? Knut On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > Even anyone can't complete a form which have a compulsory data element > with numeric value zero, whether zero value saving is off. > > The asterisk can be used in all dataset and forms. Is there any value to > put it as a option per dataset? > > *Nayeem Al Mifthah* > HMIS C > onsultant > Management Information System > Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh > Supported by: UNICEF > -Bangladesh > > Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* > * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* > Cell:*+8801914030574* > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per >> data set, like "Make compulsory data elements required fields in form". >> >> Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define >> which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form >> validation is a slightly different concern. >> >> regards, >> >> Lars >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Nayeem, >>> It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the >>> BP list too much ;-) >>> >>> Knut >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah... why not? >>>> >>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah* >>>> HMIS C >>>> onsultant >>>> Management Information System >>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh >>>> Supported by: UNICEF >>>> -Bangladesh >>>> >>>> Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>> * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>> Cell:*+8801914030574* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a >>>>> blueprint for it? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Knut >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give >>>>>> asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah* >>>>>> HMIS C >>>>>> onsultant >>>>>> Management Information System >>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh >>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF >>>>>> -Bangladesh >>>>>> >>>>>> Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>> * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the >>>>>>> current implementation the form doesn't even indicate (eg with an >>>>>>> asterisk) >>>>>>> which data should always be entered, even when 0. >>>>>>> It only shows up in validation. >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, "Nayeem Al Mifthah" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for >>>>>>>> enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without >>>>>>>> fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element >>>>>>>> about zero '0' value saving. >>>>>>>> For other data types it is OK for use. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah* >>>>>>>> HMIS C >>>>>>>> onsultant >>>>>>>> Management Information System >>>>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh >>>>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF >>>>>>>> -Bangladesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>>> * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation >>>>>>>>> if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative >>>>>>>>> calculation for reporting rates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is my understanding. There might be other views. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Busoye >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I'm >>>>>>>>> not clear on how to use them.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Knut >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Knut Staring >>>>>>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo >>>>>>>>> +4791880522 >>>>>>>>> http://dhis2.org >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Knut Staring >>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo >>>>> +4791880522 >>>>> http://dhis2.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Knut Staring >>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo >>> +4791880522 >>> http://dhis2.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> > -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org
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