Yeah, Knut is clarify about our common interest. I have a suggestion that, whenever a data element with numeric type made compulsory, it should save zero value. At least a suggestion box can appear.
*Nayeem Al Mifthah* HMIS C onsultant Management Information System Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh Supported by: UNICEF -Bangladesh Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* Cell:*+8801914030574* On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: > I think there are multiple issues - Lars has spelled out 2, but I think > Nayeem and I are pointing to a third one, namley: > > How does the poor data entry clerk know which fields are "compulsory" when > there is no asterisk or other indication of it? > > Knut > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi >> Even anyone can't complete a form which have a compulsory data element >> with numeric value zero, whether zero value saving is off. >> >> The asterisk can be used in all dataset and forms. Is there any value to >> put it as a option per dataset? >> >> *Nayeem Al Mifthah* >> HMIS C >> onsultant >> Management Information System >> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh >> Supported by: UNICEF >> -Bangladesh >> >> Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* >> * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* >> Cell:*+8801914030574* >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per >>> data set, like "Make compulsory data elements required fields in form". >>> >>> Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define >>> which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form >>> validation is a slightly different concern. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Lars >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Nayeem, >>>> It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the >>>> BP list too much ;-) >>>> >>>> Knut >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah... why not? >>>>> >>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah* >>>>> HMIS C >>>>> onsultant >>>>> Management Information System >>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh >>>>> Supported by: UNICEF >>>>> -Bangladesh >>>>> >>>>> Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>> * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a >>>>>> blueprint for it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Knut >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give >>>>>>> asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah* >>>>>>> HMIS C >>>>>>> onsultant >>>>>>> Management Information System >>>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh >>>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF >>>>>>> -Bangladesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>> * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the >>>>>>>> current implementation the form doesn't even indicate (eg with an >>>>>>>> asterisk) >>>>>>>> which data should always be entered, even when 0. >>>>>>>> It only shows up in validation. >>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, "Nayeem Al Mifthah" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for >>>>>>>>> enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. >>>>>>>>> Without >>>>>>>>> fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data >>>>>>>>> element about zero '0' value saving. >>>>>>>>> For other data types it is OK for use. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah* >>>>>>>>> HMIS C >>>>>>>>> onsultant >>>>>>>>> Management Information System >>>>>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh >>>>>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF >>>>>>>>> -Bangladesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Email: *[email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>>>> * | [email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation >>>>>>>>>> if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative >>>>>>>>>> calculation for reporting rates. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is my understanding. There might be other views. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Busoye >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I'm >>>>>>>>>> not clear on how to use them.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Knut >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Knut Staring >>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo >>>>>>>>>> +4791880522 >>>>>>>>>> http://dhis2.org >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Knut Staring >>>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo >>>>>> +4791880522 >>>>>> http://dhis2.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Knut Staring >>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo >>>> +4791880522 >>>> http://dhis2.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > Knut Staring > Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo > +4791880522 > http://dhis2.org >
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