Alfred wrote: "I agree, Raymond. The potential dangers of widespread open
source software (including operating systems) are great."

Raymond wrote: "If Microsoft has such a problem with people hacking into the
loopholes of their closed source code, what type of malicious viruses will
we begin seeing if an Open Source Operating system such as Linux becomes the
dominant OS?"

I'm still confused by this POV.  We KNOW how insecure Windows is and we've
SEEN how quickly the open source community addresses issues with open source
software,.  We've also seen MS delay, not admit there are issues, produce
insufficient fixes or fixes that break other aspects of the OS.

We've also seen MS only allow those who have sprung for XP to have access to
security fixes.  For example, the popup blocker in SP2, and other security
measures have not been made available to Win 2K or 98 users. The upcoming
MSIE 7 will only be available to XP SP2 users.  Meanwhile, MS's donation
programs through TechSoup only provides Win2K and 98.  So much for closed
source for-profit OSs.  It would appear that MS doesn't think that
nonprofits and others who have to make use of donation programs deserve the
higher security provided with XP SP2. Nice guys.

Nobody supporting the "yikes!  I'm scared of open source software!" argument
has offered one iota of proof that their scenario will come to pass.  As I
stated yesterday, we already KNOW how akin to swiss cheese Windows is.  How
could any OS provide less security?  This is a Chicken-Little approach to
open source if I've ever seen one.  Furthermore, Raymond's logic is
incorrect.  OSs, open source or otherwise are not inherently secure or
insecure. Windows was DESIGNED that way so that there could be lots of
communications between boxes across the LAN or WAN without human
interference.  It was part of the plan before security became such an issue.
If MS has big problems patching their security holes it might say something
about the competence of the organization, but it says nothing about the
ability of the open source community to fix security holes in Linux or other
open source software.  

Please offer proof of why it would be worse than what we are already
experiencing.  I'm not accusing anyone of being shills for MS, but it would
be nice to understand why this point of view is so strongly held given the
lack of any solid reasoning behind it.  Jon gave anecdotal evidence about
the time differential between the way corporations do fixes and patches and
the way the open source community does.  I'd be interested in hearing about
how/why anyone believes an open source world would be such a Wes Craven
flick! 

Jesse Sinaiko
Chicago, Il





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