On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 03:31:12 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 09:44:17 Steven Schveighoffer
via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On 9/1/15 6:48 AM, "Luís Marques <l...@luismarques.eu> wrote:
> On Sunday, 23 August 2015 at 05:17:33 UTC, Walter Bright
> wrote:
>> We have made the switch from C++ DMD to D DMD!
>
> Is there a rough prediction of when the use of phobos in
> ddmd will start to be accepted?
I'm not a dmd dev, but I'm not sure it will be accepted, since
phobos is very unstable. We have to be cautious about making
dmd breakable easily by a change to phobos.
Of course, I think there is a baseline dmd/gdc/ldc that must
be used to build dmd, so perhaps as long as you use phobos
features that work there, it will be OK.
Plenty of Phobos is stable and hasn't changed in quite a while.
We do sometimes deprecate stuff still, but there isn't much
that gets deprecated at this point, and the deprecation cycle
is about two years. The common problem would be regressions,
and the compiler gets those as much or more often than Phobos
does. But it is true that some stuff in Phobos changes
occasionally, and that could affect how new a compiler you need
to compile the current dmd.
Regardless of that though, I know that at least some of the dmd
developers are against using Phobos simply because they don't
want the dependency. It simplifies things if Phobos isn't in
the mix. If you have to track down and fix a regression in the
compiler, that's easier to do if you don't have to worry about
the standard library being in the mix. The less that the
compiler depends on, the less that the compiler devs have to
worry about affecting the compiler. And if we need anything to
be sure of anything working right, it's the compiler. Sure,
there are some things in the standard library that might be
nice to use in the compiler, but that doesn't mean that it's
necessarily worth pulling in Phobos as a dependency, and if
it's something that's really useful, maybe it's worth
duplicating in the compiler code - or even making a version of
it that's tailored to the compiler's needs.
- Jonathan M Davis
LOL.
Using « pure » D in DDMD is ugly. Then why even compiler was
converted ?
Using phobos in ddmd is helpful - it will help to detect
regressions in phobos.
There's an autotester so i don't think it can break the things.
