On Monday, 17 August 2020 at 15:45:05 UTC, aberba wrote:
On Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 09:54:06 UTC, Mr. Backup wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 August 2020 at 13:46:06 UTC, James Blachly
wrote:
Unfortunately the problem still occurs with Vibe.d 0.9.0
IMO **this is the single most important problem to fix** for
vibe.d -- if the most basic of examples (indeed, supplied by
dub itself) fails so spectacularly, the casual new user will
not spend the time to find out why this is happening, but
instead move on. The ctrl-C non-termination bug has existed
since at least 2015 from what I can tell from the forums.
As a casual new novice, I really like dlang as such, and I
think it should be the most widespread and popular language in
the world. And as soon as I came across it, I wanted to use it
in my project. But it has many packages for the same things,
but these packages are unfinished. Everyone creates their own.
You start comparing them and don't know what to choose for
your job and then you find out that you should have chosen
another and then find out that you should have written it
yourself. And then I finally done it in golang in a while. I
think the dlang community should focus on creating a quality
standard library.
We live in the 21st century where there are web technologies
everywhere around us, so I think that the http package should
be part of a standard library.
It takes time. I was comparing packages available in D compared
to say nodejs which I've been using for a while.
Very few important ones are missing. The others too lack some
documentation. Other than that, you get pretty much what you
need. Except cloud sdks.
also using vibe.d has some missing pieces on how to do certain
things... that I agree we Users need to do writing about them.
You're also right that people keep rolling their own
implementations. Most people here are really good and can roll
their own so its quite tempting...plus reading someone's code
and implementation can be a lil...sometimes. except rolling
your own means it'll be half baked and undocumented.
Also I suspect lot of community members primary don't do web
stuff primarily.
If you ask me, I'll say vibe.d is the most solid and feature
complete web framework at the moment...code, docs, libraries.
It's not perfect but its never been a blocker. That's if you
know your way around it. Sonke is a pretty cool guy.
Will be nice if he had a GitHub sponsor or something for vibe.d
Hunt framework is also your laravel D alternative.
After 18 years following DLang, and some disagrees about
productivity lacks at the beggining (no IDE, Debugging?, an
standard library battle, not a good database connection library,
missing web framework) and Walter adding more and more compiler
functionalities (all of them nice ones) I decided to forget DLang
for a time (C# covered my needs really well).
Last month I decided it was time to start a new project (my own
company) and I reviewed some languages/frameworks for web
development (REST services, image processing, PDF generation,
...): Java based ones (I'm experienced with scala/playframework
and spring/java, and Kotlin is really nice), c# and Net core,
Node/Typescript (Last 6 years I have been mainly a node backend
developer) and, finally, native ones (GO, Rust and D... I
developed some windows apps in 90's using Symantec C++ but 20
years are a really long time).
I really wanted to give D an opportunity: lets go with vibe.d
I tested vibe.d on my ubuntu 20.04 and SURPRISE: the hello world
project began to eat all my machine memory (just requesting with
Firefox and CTRL+F5 pressed continuosly). Using an HAPROXY
between calls and backend memory problems disappeared.
Process doesn't stop properly after CTRL+C... but I decided not
to be so demanding.
I discovered hunt-framework (with a fantastic ORM implementation)
and my eyes shinned. I tried an example project. Like vibe.d, I
began to perform requests with Firefox and CTRL+F5 pressed and
application stopped immediately (yesterday I discovered it is a
SIGPIPE unmanaged signal that stops the process). I'm quite sure
if I use HAPROXY to intermediate between requests and backend,
the problem will disappear, but I don't want to perform this
test, because I decided not to use hunt-framework neither.
Finally I'm using Rust (with Rocket and Diesel): it's my money
folks :).
Sorry for this not constructive post.
DLang needs to bright in some market niche to attract developers
and to solve the actual most demanded needs: a lot of
developers, like me, expect a good/robust framework for backend
development (web/rest/microservices/data processing) and a
de-facto standard library for Database integration.
In my opinion, "hunt-framework" (or similar) should be one of the
central projects of DLang next years (like vibe.d in the past)
with a really impressive documentation (English, please!!!)
demonstrating how robust, performant and expressive D lang is.
