On Sunday, 3 January 2016 at 16:19:49 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
On Sunday, 3 January 2016 at 15:58:21 UTC, Joakim wrote:
Github has the same problem, btw. I recently spent some time
going through the top repositories in this list, and it's
surprising how many are miscategorized as D, despite having
the source:
Yep, Github isn't neutral, but it is the best source for
trending information I know of, although enterprise
technologies (Microsoft, Oracle etc) are underrepresented there.
It's more than not being neutral: I pointed out that github
suffers from similar categorization errors to the ones you list
below. But yes, github stats are really only good for languages
used in open source, and OSS is still a small fraction of all
software written.
But search engine bias is worse I think. For instance, when I
search for javascript technologies I never use the phrase
"javascript". I often search for the specific API since
JavaScript is so popular that the APIs themselves already get
good ranking! But when I search for info on C++ I usually start
with "c++" in every single search, since C++ isn't as popular
as JavaScript.
Also ranking a search "rust tutorial" fails because Rust
already have _very_ good standard documentation, so fewer
people need to search for it.
In one instance I also noticed that the search for "d tutorial"
matched "d-link tutorial" (how to set up a router). :-) And
even "d vitamin tutorial", or something like that. :-D
I think the big swooping "automated data collection" lists are
way too noisy to be useful. The timeline on some specific
phrases on Google Trends do say something though.
Those are definitely real issues with those methods, no question.
I don't know much about Docker: is most of their stack built
on Go, as opposed to a few key components? Also, they value
their
If you look at github, you'll see that several of the high
ranking Go projects are related to Docker, Kubernetes and such.
So Go seems to become a defacto replacement for C in areas
where C isn't really neededspeed isn't crucial (e.g.
configuration etc).
Not so strange, for companies that deals with a specific
application area it makes sense to standardize on one language.
Are you stating that Docker is built on Go or suggesting it would
make sense if they were? Sounds like the latter.
So, commercial uptake appears to be driving Go adoption in the
area of "cloud deployment" of various kinds?
I'm actually glad D isn't jumping on a hot trend like "cloud," as
they're usually fads. This goes for Sociomantic and ad-tech too:
they could just be in a hot field and really not mean much for
the long-term future of D. Better to focus on making the best
language you can, and people will find uses for its unique
strengths.
On Sunday, 3 January 2016 at 16:24:17 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
On Sunday, 3 January 2016 at 16:10:49 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I have no real opinion on the validity of TIOBE
That's sad!!!
Heh, why should I spend any time thinking about it whatsoever?
I'm not interested in jousts about programming languages.
but I think you overrate the importance of github and
overestimate use of javascript. Of course, there's no good
way to settle that question.
Actually there is. If you look at businesses that use
Javascript every single small community has javascript
programmers, one way or the other. Be it a web site company or
a advertising company. All these businesses that dabble with
Javascript one way or the other account for way more employees
than the focused software engineering companies.
Sure, because you're lumping all the non-Javascript employees
from any companies that "dabble with javascript" and contrasting
that number with the companies that don't use it all. Since
practically every company has a website that likely uses a little
javascript, that's trivially true, yet completely irrelevant.
If you were able to compile something like billable hours for
javascript, it would do well, but nowhere near the top.
Unfortunately, that key is not available under the lamppost we
have: TIOBE. :)
A quick search for open positions in norway shows that there
are twice as many matches for "javascript" than for "c++". And
usually such positions are more easy to fill.
C++ has been retreating into a niche, along with other
AoT-compiled languages, even TIOBE shows that in its graph of C++
buzz dropping significantly over the last decade. But javascript
is primarily a frontend language on a single platform, web apps,
it will never get "close to the top" of the programming language
heap.
