On 10/21/17 9:47 AM, Martin Nowak wrote:
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 18:11:50 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 16:36:28 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
It might help to have some sense of how the main devs time on D is
being used.
Definitely, I currently have no clue what they are on.
Tried that, didn't resonate that much, and is also quite some work.
So we mostly stick to internal discussions atm.
https://forum.dlang.org/post/[email protected]
Timelines and planning also don't work too well with volunteering.
Martin's levelheaded answers are much appreciated. (For what it's worth
I've been traveling a fair amount recently which brings money in
Foundation's coffers and more attention to the D language. I am coping
with the unpleasant reality I haven't written real code in months.)
The matter discussed in this thread seems to have been suddenly rendered
political, which is why I find it opportune to intervene - in all
likelihood, improving nothing :o).
Sticking to technical points, some of the original points are easy to
explain as misunderstandings (e.g. safe/system/trusted - yes all three
are needed), whereas others can be converted productively into real
steps forward for the language.
Using the topic of the Elvis operator as a running example, a good DIP
would contain motivation such as:
* Present evidence of the successful use of ?: in other languages
* Present evidence of workarounds being used in D such as orElse,
lazyElse etc.
* Present evidence of the usefulness of the ?: operator in gcc, see
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/Conditionals.html
* Show how production code fragments in dmd, phobos, or other codebases
would be significantly improved by the use of the operator
Yes, there's no guarantee that such a DIP would be approved. But the
"need a relationship with the cabal to get things in" angle is very
damaging to our community. So is the framing of the language
enhancements topic as a fight against arbitrary prejudice. These kind of
allegation discourage people from putting good work in, which is all
that's needed.
Andrei
