One presumes that the big dish on the Army's van was pointed at a 
geosynchronous satellite. It seems unlikely that anything we 
conspire to do on HF will come within a order of magnitude of what 
can be done with a broadband satellite link, Walt. What amateur 
radio has to offer here is a geographically-dispersed pool of 
skilled, dedicated operators; if you want to provide a "competitive" 
service, you'll need to provide those operators with a lot more 
bandwidth than is practical via HF.

As for this threat of frequency swiping you keep attempting to use 
as motiviation, consider this (admittedly oversimplified) analysis:

The decision to swipe HF amateur frequencies will either be made by 
a competent person, or an incompetent person. If the person is 
incompetent, it doesn't matter what we do; our only defense is 
the "hey look, the incompetent bureaucrats are screwing up the only 
emergency communications that actually work" gambit, hoping that 
between the media and the politicians someone sees red meat. If, on 
the other thand, the decision is made by a competent person, then he 
or she will quickly realize that HF frequencies are not the solution.

Walt, I suggest that you apply your considerable energy and 
persuasiveness to obtaining access to a couple geosynchronous 
transponders. Attempting to solve the problem with HF is, as Sagan 
said, "Like trying to get to stars by climbing a tree. You can make 
progress for awhile, but you'll never actually get there".

    73,

       Dave, AA6YQ

    
--- In [email protected], DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here are some excerpts from E-Mail between individuals deeply 
involved in
> FEMA and NDMS communications.
> 
> From a FEMA Incident Commander who is an active amateur radio 
operator...
> 
> "The subject of this email is Communications and it is from the
> Southern Mississippi FEMA Incident Manager. He was without cell 
phone,
> and Internet capability. He cornered a State Police Car and asked 
them
> to be his commo. They said fine but they had no commo too. Jim was 
at
> wits end when an Army Captain came to him and asked if he had any 
commo.
> Jim said no commo and it's a big problem. The Captain said no 
problem,
> and got on his radio and ordered an Army Communications Van to be 
placed
> at Jim's disposal. Two hours later a van arrived and it had 4 guys 
that
> set up a big dish antenna and then asked Jim how many telephones he
> needed and what computers needed the Internet? Jim ordered 5 
telephones
> and the Internet for his laptop. Soon Jim was on the phone to FEMA
> letting them know about the situation and giving them his telephone
> number. Jim was found by the Salvation Army. They said they can 
set up
> 85 soup kitchens but needed $560,000 fast to stock the kitchens. 
Jim
> called FEMA requesting the funding and the Salvation Army had the 
money
> in 3 hours."
> 
> "Due to this success story from Katrina, we are all told to use the
> Army for communications support and I have the phone number to 
call when
> needed. I fear that what we can do with Ham Radio is too little 
and far
> too late. We can help with Health and Welfare traffic which is not 
done
> by the official part of an Incident."
> 
> From an amateur radio operator who works closely with NDMS and on 
a DMAT
> (Disaster Medical Assistance Team)...
> 
> "Your posting this morning was most timely and coincided with a 
FL3-DMAT 
> team meeting I was attending.  To underscore the points you made, 
members 
> of the Comms unit, all of whom hold an Amateur Radio license, were 
advised 
> this morning that NO Amateur Radio, FRS or GMRS gear may be 
brought to a 
> deployment, effective immediately.  If any of the above is 
observed by FEMA,
> 
> the DMAT unit will lose its funding for the next twelve months!"
>  
> "It is becoming more and more apparent the Feds are doing what 
they can, 
> short of taking our frequency allocations and licenses away, to 
push Amateur
> 
> Radio out of the picture.  I fear once they have achieved success 
doing to, 
> they will use it to justify a revocation of spectrum and license
> privileges."
> 
> This should be a wake-up call...amateur radio has less and less to 
offer
> emergency and disaster relief communications.  
> 
> While I like nothing more than a good rag chew on 40 or 75 with my 
amateur
> radio friends of 40+ years, 
> I believe that those days of me being able to do so are rapidly 
coming to
> and end.
> 
> Today ones community service is evaluated as "value to the 
community, state,
> nations."  Funding for groups is based on that.  
> 
> With the money set aside for Katrina and Rita relief, you should 
have been
> able to purchase complete new HF dual band stations of every ham 
in Texas,
> Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida...plus a few other 
states.  But
> that is hardly the amount given to the ARRL.  
> 
> The more value you bring to the table, the better your position of 
survival
> is.  This doesn't make it right or anything else...it is just the 
way it is.
> 
> Survival of the "righteous and just" is not assured.  Survival of 
the
> "performers" is.
> 
> What can amateur radio being to the table?  
> 
> No quick answers or answers at all...we just need to think long 
and hard
> about how we can be of significant value to emergency and disaster 
relief
> operations.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Walt/K5YFW
>







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