Bruce,

The ARRL is not generally going to ask other groups for input. It would 
really be a bit unethical if my organization bypasses me and goes to 
another organization for input. The input clearly needs to come from the 
membership. So the ARRL acted appropriately.

What seems to be coming out of all this is that SMIRK did not act in 
their members best interest and ignored the FCC proposal. You do this at 
your own risk. So I would talk to them about this and how you can use 
the organization to further your interests, just like the other groups do.

Just so you know, I certainly would never support any wide band modes 
beyond what we now have on 6 meters or 2 meters. And that includes SS 
techniques which destroy the noise floor over too wide an area. However, 
I would like to see 6 meters used a LOT more than it is. It is 
frustrating to me that after all these years, with many, many, more hams 
with Technician Class Licenses, and with all the new amazing rigs with 6 
and sometimes even 2 and 440 SSB added on, very few hams are working 
these bands for "local" contacts. The equipment (the really pathetic 
equipment) I had in 1964 to work 6 meters (and could never get it to 
work) is a far cry from what we have now and yet you just do not find 
many operators. I call every so often on 52.525 FM and 50.125 SSB with 
almost no contacts. Sure, when the band opens up, you can then work many 
stations. I know that there are very weak signal modes such as some rare 
EME work and more common meteor shower work so you don't want to 
jeopardize those areas.

By the way, since I moved about 30-40 miles away from my former QTH 
which was centrally located to our club's Wednesday night chat net, we 
have tried many different HF frequencies to see what works the best for 
voice. We initially started on 28.400 for the last year or two but the 
reason for selecting 10 meter phone was so that the Tech + and Novices 
could be part of the group. Guess what? At no time have we ever had any 
of them come to the well publicized net. So recently we have been trying 
other bands, and 80 tends to go long and you get too many distant 
stations wanting to contact us, 40 and 20 are outside the NVIS range and 
have a weaker ground wave. Unfortunately same for 6 meters:( We thought 
that might work OK for direct/skywave, but very mediocre results with 
our mediocre antennas.

The bands that really work the best are:

160 if the other stations are willing to install an antenna ... and ... 
15 meters was the best "ground"/direct wave of all the bands we tried. 
Even with Butternut and R7 type verticals. I still can not quite figure 
out the reason.

I sure wish I could get some of the stations to try digital, especially 
on 6 meters and 160 meters, but it seems nearly impossible out of 150 + 
hams in the greater area,  we have very few that will even try digital 
modes at all:(

73,

Rick, KV9U




bruce mallon wrote:

>They were not asked .... THAT'S THE POINT ..... also
>how many members of this commity are long time 6 meter
>users? How many are active on 6 meters? 
>If newer modes like digital are to catch on you cannot
>call others " LEGACY " modes and work around them to
>seze frequencys and thats EXACTLY what was done here
>....... it is not in your best intrest.
>
>--- KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Perhaps the lesson might be that unless we come to
>>the meeting and speak > up, our voices will not be
>>    
>>
>heard. Actually, special > interest groups such 
>  
>
>>as SMIRK, SWOT, etc.,  should position themselves as
>>advocates for their > members point of view. I
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>assume that they did this?
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>



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