"I think most would interpret" Only if they are ...well...forget it....
On 8/31/09, Tony <[email protected]> wrote: > Trip, > >>>> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue >>>> is not just a >>>> one time thing... and not just on QRP. >>>> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major >>>> issue. >>>> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) >>>> ..then tell me its not major. > > I think most would interpret "when you have it occur 40-50 times with 20 > over signal" as the number of out-of-sync collisions that occurred during > just one of your ALE-400 contacts and not the number of times overall. > > Understand if you'd rather not discuss it further. Hope you're able to get > it working; let us know what you find. > > Tony -K2MO > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 > > >> ***"If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem >> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both >> ways"*** >> >> 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW....... Damn..I think If it occured that >> many times during 1 QSO..I would give up.. >> Dont ya think???? >> >> Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I >> mean...I have only been using this mode >> from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios, >> bands and puters.. >> With no less than 10-15 other users. >> >> I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from that >> "Cracker Jack Box" >> Its me, its not really happining.. >> >> I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this >> problem....Right?? >> >> Just let it go...I have. >> >> End of thread. >> >> 73 de Trip - KT4WO >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tony >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >> >> >> >> >> >> Trip, >> >> > Its not a unique problem. KT4WO >> >> Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from >> anyone else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully, >> bring them out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience of >> others, ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always >> associated with weak signals. >> >> As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses >> sync. At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to continue >> after that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because >> signals are just too weak. >> >> If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem >> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways. >> That certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the >> circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on. >> >> We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band >> conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For >> example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear >> channel? Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on >> one PC more than another. >> >> You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the >> evenings starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band Yagi >> @ 60ft. I'm sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tony -K2MO >> >> >> >> >> >> > Its not a unique problem. >> > KT4WO >> > >> > >> > On 8/31/09, Tony <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Trip, >> >> >> >> Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find out >> what >> >> it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help you. >> >> >> >> Tony -K2MO >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >> >> >> >> >> >>> w4pgh >> >>> k3gau >> >>> n4wi >> >>> wa9hcz >> >>> ni9y >> >>> n9fdf >> >>> k9vu >> >>> wb8rol >> >>> ai4cm >> >>> >> >>> Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) >> >>> Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, some....alot >> >>> more(k3gau,w4pgh) >> >>> >> >>> No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost >> >>> 100 bucks on...lol >> >>> >> >>> Again....I love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other >> >>> digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY >> digi >> >>> software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... >> >>> Im cheap!!...LOL.... >> >>> >> >>> If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could >> >>> re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. >> >>> >> >>> Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried >> >>> everything..."been there, done that" kinda >> >>> thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or >> >>> DominoEX....most of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was >> >>> just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but it >> >>> was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us.... >> >>> >> >>> I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST >> >>> error free soundcard mode out there!! >> >>> >> >>> KT4WO >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 8/30/09, Tony <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> Thomas, >> >>>> >> >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months >> >>>> >> >>>> Just a thought here... >> >>>> >> >>>> Your station setup sounds ok, but could it be that W4PGH has a VOX >> delay >> >>>> on >> >>>> or some other issue? Have you worked anyone else on ALE-400? >> >>>> >> >>>> Tony -K2MO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <[email protected]> >> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:54 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no >> VOX.... >> >>>>> 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or 800mhz >> >>>>> pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.....4 diff. homebrew >> >>>>> interfaces some with xformers..some not....Icom IC-718 or Kenwood >> >>>>> TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180S....Half-Wave >> >>>>> dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30.... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from >> the >> >>>>> old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I >> have >> >>>>> been on some type of "digi mode" for the last 18 years. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> What I see as a "major" problem.. you may not...thats cool... but >> >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months >> on >> >>>>> 80 and 160.....he is 40 miles from me. >> >>>>> The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, antenna, >> >>>>> computer...or me..LOL >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Its great ya'll are not having the "issue" too offten. But ...When >> >>>>> hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few >> >>>>> times...they will just switch modes and not look back. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> KT4WO >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> Trip, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the >> Signalink) >> >>>>>> with >> >>>>>> the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up >> the >> >>>>>> timing of FAE400. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs >> are >> >>>>>> really buried in noise. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I would >> have >> >>>>>> noticed a major issue like this from the outset. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it >> on? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 73 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sholto >> >>>>>> K7TMG >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync >> issue >> >>>>>>> is not just a >> >>>>>>> one time thing... and not just on QRP. >> >>>>>>> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a >> major >> >>>>>>> issue. >> >>>>>>> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) >> >>>>>>> ..then tell me its not major. >> >>>>>>> I have had 100+ QSO's in this mode....with 10-12 diff. ops. >> >>>>>>> BTW..the new "PSK-Packet" has the same problem. >> >>>>>>> KT4WO >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 8/30/09, John Bradley <jbrad...@sasktel. net >> >>>>>>> <mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > "> I have brought this up to Patrick a few times....I asked >> for a >> >>>>>>> >> "slottime" or some random timer... >> >>>>>>> >> I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE >> with >> >>>>>>> ALE400. >> >>>>>>> >> Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become "mainstream" >> >>>>>>> >> I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. >> >>>>>>> >> So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have >> better >> >>>>>>> luck >> >>>>>>> > getting >> >>>>>>> >> him to address this.??!!??! !?? >> >>>>>>> >> Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave "sees" this is >> a >> >>>>>>> problem, >> >>>>>>> >> Patrick >> >>>>>>> >> will fix it??? >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at >> >>>>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or >> >>>>>> Multipsk >> >>>>>> Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yahoo! 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