> Only if they are ...well...forget it.... Cat got your tongue Trip?
Tony -K2MO > "I think most would interpret" > > Only if they are ...well...forget it.... > > On 8/31/09, Tony <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trip, >> >>>>> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue >>>>> is not just a >>>>> one time thing... and not just on QRP. >>>>> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major >>>>> issue. >>>>> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) >>>>> ..then tell me its not major. >> >> I think most would interpret "when you have it occur 40-50 times with 20 >> over signal" as the number of out-of-sync collisions that occurred during >> just one of your ALE-400 contacts and not the number of times overall. >> >> Understand if you'd rather not discuss it further. Hope you're able to >> get >> it working; let us know what you find. >> >> Tony -K2MO >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >> >> >>> ***"If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major >>> problem >>> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both >>> ways"*** >>> >>> 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW....... Damn..I think If it occured >>> that >>> many times during 1 QSO..I would give up.. >>> Dont ya think???? >>> >>> Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I >>> mean...I have only been using this mode >>> from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios, >>> bands and puters.. >>> With no less than 10-15 other users. >>> >>> I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from >>> that >>> "Cracker Jack Box" >>> Its me, its not really happining.. >>> >>> I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this >>> problem....Right?? >>> >>> Just let it go...I have. >>> >>> End of thread. >>> >>> 73 de Trip - KT4WO >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Tony >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Trip, >>> >>> > Its not a unique problem. KT4WO >>> >>> Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from >>> anyone else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully, >>> bring them out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience >>> of >>> others, ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always >>> associated with weak signals. >>> >>> As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses >>> sync. At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to >>> continue >>> after that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because >>> signals are just too weak. >>> >>> If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem >>> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both >>> ways. >>> That certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the >>> circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on. >>> >>> We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band >>> conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For >>> example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear >>> channel? Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on >>> one PC more than another. >>> >>> You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the >>> evenings starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band >>> Yagi >>> @ 60ft. I'm sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Tony -K2MO >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Its not a unique problem. >>> > KT4WO >>> > >>> > >>> > On 8/31/09, Tony <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Trip, >>> >> >>> >> Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find >>> out >>> what >>> >> it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help >>> you. >>> >> >>> >> Tony -K2MO >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <[email protected]> >>> >> To: <[email protected]> >>> >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM >>> >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> w4pgh >>> >>> k3gau >>> >>> n4wi >>> >>> wa9hcz >>> >>> ni9y >>> >>> n9fdf >>> >>> k9vu >>> >>> wb8rol >>> >>> ai4cm >>> >>> >>> >>> Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) >>> >>> Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, some....alot >>> >>> more(k3gau,w4pgh) >>> >>> >>> >>> No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost >>> >>> 100 bucks on...lol >>> >>> >>> >>> Again....I love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other >>> >>> digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY >>> digi >>> >>> software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... >>> >>> Im cheap!!...LOL.... >>> >>> >>> >>> If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could >>> >>> re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. >>> >>> >>> >>> Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried >>> >>> everything..."been there, done that" kinda >>> >>> thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or >>> >>> DominoEX....most of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was >>> >>> just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but >>> it >>> >>> was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us.... >>> >>> >>> >>> I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST >>> >>> error free soundcard mode out there!! >>> >>> >>> >>> KT4WO >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/30/09, Tony <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thomas, >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 >>> months >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Just a thought here... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Your station setup sounds ok, but could it be that W4PGH has a VOX >>> delay >>> >>>> on >>> >>>> or some other issue? Have you worked anyone else on ALE-400? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Tony -K2MO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." <[email protected]> >>> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:54 PM >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no >>> VOX.... >>> >>>>> 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or >>> 800mhz >>> >>>>> pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.....4 diff. homebrew >>> >>>>> interfaces some with xformers..some not....Icom IC-718 or Kenwood >>> >>>>> TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180S....Half-Wave >>> >>>>> dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30.... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from >>> the >>> >>>>> old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I >>> have >>> >>>>> been on some type of "digi mode" for the last 18 years. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> What I see as a "major" problem.. you may not...thats cool... but >>> >>>>> W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 >>> months >>> on >>> >>>>> 80 and 160.....he is 40 miles from me. >>> >>>>> The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, >>> antenna, >>> >>>>> computer...or me..LOL >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Its great ya'll are not having the "issue" too offten. But >>> ...When >>> >>>>> hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few >>> >>>>> times...they will just switch modes and not look back. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> KT4WO >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Trip, >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the >>> Signalink) >>> >>>>>> with >>> >>>>>> the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up >>> the >>> >>>>>> timing of FAE400. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs >>> are >>> >>>>>> really buried in noise. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I >>> would >>> have >>> >>>>>> noticed a major issue like this from the outset. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it >>> on? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> 73 >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sholto >>> >>>>>> K7TMG >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the >>> outa-sync >>> issue >>> >>>>>>> is not just a >>> >>>>>>> one time thing... and not just on QRP. >>> >>>>>>> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a >>> major >>> >>>>>>> issue. >>> >>>>>>> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) >>> >>>>>>> ..then tell me its not major. >>> >>>>>>> I have had 100+ QSO's in this mode....with 10-12 diff. ops. >>> >>>>>>> BTW..the new "PSK-Packet" has the same problem. >>> >>>>>>> KT4WO >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On 8/30/09, John Bradley <jbrad...@sasktel. net >>> >>>>>>> <mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > "> I have brought this up to Patrick a few times....I asked >>> for a >>> >>>>>>> >> "slottime" or some random timer... >>> >>>>>>> >> I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE >>> with >>> >>>>>>> ALE400. >>> >>>>>>> >> Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become "mainstream" >>> >>>>>>> >> I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. >>> >>>>>>> >> So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have >>> better >>> >>>>>>> luck >>> >>>>>>> > getting >>> >>>>>>> >> him to address this.??!!??! !?? >>> >>>>>>> >> Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave "sees" this >>> is >>> a >>> >>>>>>> problem, >>> >>>>>>> >> Patrick >>> >>>>>>> >> will fix it??? >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at >>> >>>>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, >>> or >>> >>>>>> Multipsk >>> >>>>>> Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Yahoo! 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