Hi Murray,
ha, that's a very valid use case. I plan to talk to the others about
packaging anyway (I know that at least Maitland, the debian packager,
will be there) at GRCon, about providing nightly packages and such.
Personally, I'm still struggling a bit with Fedora's integrated tools
that should make it easy to rebuild packages whenever someone pushes a
change to the master branch of GNU Radio, but if we can sort that out,
you could install a GNU Radio as recent as `git pull` would give you,
without any risk of breaking anything else, because the packages would
act exactly like the Fedora-own gnuradio package, only more recent. That
would also, for everyone who's not actively developing GNU Radio's core,
solve a lot of the complications that people use PyBOMBS for.
There's a whole lot of interesting questions that arise from that – on a
project level. For example, while it feels kind of like an easy decision
to make to offer a nightly gnuradio package if we can, what about
popular "infrastructure" OOTs like, for example, gr-osmosdr? That is
actually so popular that fedora packages themselves, and it would only
feel logical to offer it in a version that works with that nightly GNU
Radio, too. But then we're deep into "ok, now we're becoming a software
distributor" land, because, what's so different about gr-osmosdr that we
shouldn't also be packaging gr-paint, which, without doubt, is
invaluable for any conference with people selling hardware that displays
waterfall plots?
Why I mention that is the following:
Basically, as soon as you have a distro-compatible repo of packages, all
major distros make it easy to directly install that; many also make it
easy build an installer which installs the distro, enables that repo,
and also installs these packages. With the liveDVD as we have it now,
it's not that easy, because none of the SDR-related software is
installed from an Ubuntu package repository, but actually built from
source and installed "into the live system". That has a lot of
advantages – being able to be bleeding edge, without becoming the
maintainer for all the OOTs, for example – but easy conversion to an
installed system is not possible at this point.
Best regards,
Marcus
On 09/07/2017 04:09 PM, Murray Thomson wrote:
Hi Marcus,
Thanks for the explanation, I was mistaken about removing the install
option.
My specific situation was that I wanted to test my project in the
latest GnuRadio. This version was released but not in the Ubuntu repo.
I was worried about breaking my current setup trying to upgrade or
install two instances of GnuRadio. The Live DVD wasn't a good option
for me because is not persistent. I solved this creating a VirtualBox
and installing GnuRadio after. As you said, it wasn't hard, but it
took me a while to do and I did had some problems with PyBOMBS (it was
my first attempt ;).
It would be nice to have a VirtualBox image that a new user can import
and start using, specially for Windows users.
Just as a related note, this maybe interesting for someone that wants
to create an iso from a working system and then install it in a
different machine:
http://pinguyos.com/2015/09/pinguy-builder-an-app-to-backupremix-buntu/
Kind Regards,
Murray
On 7 September 2017 at 11:53, Marcus Müller <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Murray,
technically, corganlabs (who's designing that liveDVD) didn't
*remove* the install option – it's just that the Ubuntu doesn't
come with a solution to install stuff like it's installed on the
DVD to disk. You just end up with a default Ubuntu.
That's why it's kinda hard to do this right.
I do have a live system of my own, Fedora-based, which comes with
a lot less modules than the official live DVD. But: Fedora does
package a lot of the popular OOT modules. Also, when you start
with a working GNU Radio installation, building OOTs from source
shouldn't be all that hard, even without tools like PyBOMBS.
So, maybe this is the point to actually specifically ask you: what
did you try to do? Is there something that we can make better
about the ecosystem (and we actually intentionally carry
"ecosystem" in the logo!) so that things are less of a hassle for you?
Best regards,
Marcus
On 09/07/2017 12:47 AM, Murray Thomson wrote:
Hi,
In the last couple of years I have read this same request from
different people, including myself. It iss true that installing
GnuRadio on top of a fresh Ubuntu install is not hard, but it
does take time. Sometimes, being able to create an quick
installation with a known to work setup is useful. In my case, I
just wanted to create a Virtualbox to test the latest GnuRadio.
I see no benefit on removing the install option and I would
appreciate if this is considered for the next Live DVD.
Regards,
Murray
On 6 September 2017 at 19:41, Marcus Müller <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Srinivasan,
please try to keep discussions on-list!
Regarding your question: I don't understand. My email says
exactly that you can't
Best regards,
Marcus
On 09/06/2017 05:34 PM, Srinivasan wrote:
Thanks. The problems , installing each module introduce
another problems. Looks like Live CD is working fine with
all modules.
Any way , can we install in HD using iso image ? anything
you can suggest !
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As far as I'm aware of, there's no direct way.
Also, little benefit, as with modern Ubuntu, you can also
use Ubuntu's gnuradio package (unless you /want/ to build
GNU Radio from source or use a specific version of a
dependency of GNU Radio, but neither are use cases for
users of the live DVD).
So, instead, just install Ubuntu 16.04, or Fedora 26, or
Gentoo, or Arch Linux, or the most recent Debian, on your
hard drive using their installation methods, and then
install GNU Radio using the respective package manager.
Best regards,
Marcus Müller
On 09/06/2017 04:24 PM, Srinivasan wrote:
Hi There,
I want to install and run gnuradio live CD from HardDisk.
I tried various ways and did not work.
Any idea ?
Regards
Srinivasan
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