Gerold, On Tuesday, February 11, 2014, Gerold Rupprecht <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Gregory, > > Thanks for trying to moderate our discussion, but your banning appears to > me as inappropriate as well as counter-productive. > > I kindly request you to reverse your decision. > I feel as though it was completely justified... the ban was not frivolous. If you do a search on the GNUstep list he is the author of such greats as "Weep for GNUstep." This is not a person who seems capable of sharing unbiased ideas and doesn't seem interested in productive discussion. Part of my responsibility on this list is to prevent that kind of thing from happening over and over again which, with him, it has. He, in my opinion, has gone far too long without some kind of action that it was completely warranted at this point. The ban was not meant to affect freedom of speech on this list. People are free to say whatever they like here, but like any public forum there *are* limitations to freedom of speech. The rules here are very simple: Don't troll, that's really it. To define trolling... Trolling is the deliberate attempt to start a flamewar which his post obviously was. Also given his history, I felt as though it should be nipped in the bud. In any case, the ban was never meant to be permanent. I will reinstate his access to the list tonight. I will also flip his moderation bit on so that his posts must be approved. I apologize if my action alarmed anyone or made anyone thing I was trying to squelch dissent. Dissenting opinions are the most important opinions because they make you rethink. However, I banned him not because of what he said but because of the tone in which it was presented, the insults and his previous history. I too find flaming remarks annoying. Banning someone who despite their > abrasive tone, has taken the time and effort to install and compile GNUstep > should be listened to. The person has obviously come back on several > occasions, hoping there was more progress in several strategic areas, and > was willing to spend their time to come back to us and investigate for > himself. That alone is worth a thank you in my opinion. What he had to say > was poorly thought out because he did not stick with addressing the > problems, but attacked the character of individuals (to be avoided - I too > felt slighted). This potential user is simply frustrated and venting off. > Banning someone is disproportionate. I too appreciate civilized > discussion... > > We clearly have to make some choices as what problems we want to tackle > and when, to stay relevant. > I agree with much of what he said, but my problem is with how he said it. One of his chief concerns appears to be that GNUstep is considered only an API and a development system. Perhaps it's time to change this. > I believe with efforts in certain areas, GNUstep can still prove most > useful, but the rest of the computing world is not standing still. We have > to make some strategic choices to get ahead and open our code to a greater > audience. > I agree with this wholeheartedly. GNUstep needs to advance... even if it needs to go to the extent of changing the GUI and the name and everything else. Whatever it takes to make this project better I think is what we should do as a group! > I would welcome you to take the lead on launching and guiding such an > important strategy discussion to increase collaboration between various > contributors. > I think such a discussion is long overdue. Best wishes, > > Gerold > > On 10. 02. 14 19:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > Am 10.02.2014 um 17:45 schrieb Patryk Laurent: > > Bad news: I must say that I, too, was completely shocked by the ban. > > > Me too. > > For a "discuss" list, it seems to me that participants should feel free > to openly express and discuss their views. > > > Especially on a FSF project list. Or is freedom of speech no longer of > any importance? > > How many discuss-gnustep members are even more hesitant to do so now? > > > Me for example. This is the fifth attempt to write some contribution, but > I find myself deleting everything and starting over because I think I can't > say that any more. > > I am also starting to wonder why I still devote so much time for this > list and such topics. Maybe because I have the feeling that I must help to > rescue the project from insignificance. > > I don't like the model of only being allowed to contribute to code and > otherwise have to be silent. For that, I do not need this project or > community. > > Nikolaus > > > Patryk > > > On 9 February 2014 20:46, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> > wrote: > > So, I hope you'll fully understand when I say that I'm banning you from it. > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing > [email protected]https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > > > -- > Gerold Rupprecht > Mobile +41 79 914 29 52 > >
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