System preferences.app should have a plugin added to access network manager, a similar plugin based on arandr for x11 and another plugin based on pulseaudio (until sound/musickit are ready) Linux has far more hardware support than the alternatives. Vespucci needs to be completed and terminal.app should have tabs. The rest of the app suggestions I agree with. On 18 Nov 2015 7:11 am, "Maxthon Chan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Speaking of Debian packages, somehow the Debian package of clang depend on > some version of libobjc. If we are updating it we have to get the > maintainers of the clang package to reference our libobjc2 as a dependency > instead of the GCC version. Otherwise packages can conflict down the road. > Also since we are doing this maybe get libdispatch and libBlocksRuntime as > dependency too? > > On Nov 18, 2015, at 04:05, H. Nikolaus Schaller <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Am 17.11.2015 um 18:48 schrieb Liam Proven <[email protected]>: > > On 17 November 2015 at 18:18, Riccardo Mottola > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I dissent this, I have installed various systems and on a standard > configuration, especially if you can jsut partition one single disk, I > found > all three major BSDs easy to install like Linux. > > The installer is nicely text based, but it is easy and leaves you a working > system. Especially OpenBSD is extremely easy to maintain. It has an > excellent way to update your packages every 6 months, seamless upgrades. > > Granted,I upgraded my FreeBSD workstation and X now doesn't work.. but on > my > laptop freezes due to X drivers now and then too, so I'd call that a tie! > > > > I am not disputing your experiences, but mine are radically different. > > And while it is slightly off the direct topic, I think it is relevant. > > While it is a good thing that there are OSes that have a working > current version of the GNUstep environment, I submit that, > increasingly, Linux means the Debian family, and for most people, > specifically Ubuntu. It is the easiest to install, the easiest to > update, the most rich and complete and widely-supported free OS that > exists. > > *That* is what should be the #1 priority to support well with GNUstep. > > The answer to the problem "I can't install GNUstep on Ubuntu or > Debian" is _not_ "install FreeBSD instead". It's not "install > $ANY_OTHER_OS". > > It's to have current, working packages for Debian and to get them > included in the Debian OS so that they are also available to > downstream projects such as Ubuntu. > > > Here I would even prioritize: > #1 is have up-to-date and working Debian packages repo (with > cross-compiled arm-linux-armhf and arm-linux-i86) on gnustep.org > so that a simple /etc/apt/sources.list entry suffices. > > Then installation instructions could be very simple: set up Debian on > some machine, add a line to /e/a/s.l and apt-get update + apt-get install > gnustep. > It should also be easy to provide the headers and source file packages to > natively > compile on some Debian machine. > > Getting this upstream into Sid is IMHO easier if that one runs flawless > for 1-2 years. > > I am running such a scheme for ~5 years now for QuantumSTEP: > > http://download.goldelico.com/quantumstep/debian/dists/ > > But before you try: > 1. QuantumSTEP it is not 100% GNUstep (it shares some code but not all > concepts) > 2. it is currently *not* compatible to Debian Jessie or later (mismatch of > library versions) > 3. it is not as well documented as GNUstep > > > Ubuntu is something like 20x more widely-used than any other distro > based on accesses to Wikipedia: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1970241 > > Even tech-geek sites see 3x more traffic from Ubuntu than from any other > distro: > > > http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2013/05/20/ranking-linux-distributions-and-the-decline-of-the-traditional-distros/ > > I'm not saying Ubuntu is perfect. It's not. But it's the leading > distro, it offers all the major desktops, it has official remixes with > Unity, KDE, GNOME 3, Maté, Xfce and LXDE, and it does have (horribly > outdated) GNUstep packages in its repos. > > > A very old wish is that similarly to "apt-get install lxde" or "apt-get > install xfce4" it > should be as simple as "apt-get install gnustep" to get a fully > (pre)configured desktop. > > > There is also a current Raspberry Pi version. > > > And there is almost always a Debian/Ubuntu for most other high quantity SBC > boards. E.g. BeagleBone. > > > This is what we need to target if we want people to see and try GNUstep. > > And everything that argues for Ubuntu over Fedora/SUSE/Arch/$DISTRO is > true 10x over for Linux versus any BSD. All the BSDs together have > orders of magnitude fewer users than Linux, and most of those on > servers. > > > 100% agree. > > And if it comes to ARM based SBC boards, support of *BSD is quite rare. > > If we want GNUstep+GAP to become more widely used, we should not start > with or force users into niche configurations. > > -- hns > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > >
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