@Adam,
Is what, most of the time do!
I don't like grayscale theme, so I wrote a new theme with another
person, based on OS X. It also is a way to show GNUstep potential.
I received contribution on the art side (icons and others) by Bertrand
Deckoninck. So, I put togheter some people with the theme. Unfortunately
the person who had the idea, RC, to write a theme based on OS X left the
project, because lost the interest actually (and I know why), so I'm the
only maintainer, developer and active author of the theme.
I used, and tolerated, window maker with GNUstep for years. WMaker
occupies a lot of my laptop screen with its giant icons everywhere, I
don't like it so much, so I started to write a new window manager,
GNUstep optimized, using GNUstep and Objective-C. The tdevelopment will
be not fast, because I had no knowledge about X11 and windowing system
in general, so I had to study how X11 works, and there are so many API
and standard to support with X, that working in my free time, make the
development slow. I asked for help, I received support from Fred, where
we also spoken about Wayland, where I offered my support as I can. Fred
supported me, but I expected support from other and more people, I know
they "played" with X11 more then me; for e.g a little help on supporting
EWMH/ICCM will be very nice (or I have to do it alone reading tons of
docs and code from others WMs). But then I read many people on the
mailing list that want a Window Manger written in Objective-C and
GNUstep, it's a bit frustrating... but I'm not here to do flame or
similar things, maybe they don't like my project.
@Riccardo, @Adam:
Riccardo, fortunately GNUstep supports 3 different styles for the Menus,
I think I expressed bad my problem. The Menus appears when I click on
the relative App's window, so they are working as expected; but if I
have 10 windows on the screen, organized to fill all the screen, as a
tiled window manager does, when I will click on an App's window, the
relative menu have to appear somewhere, but the screen is filled so it
will overlaps a window of another App that I probably need to read, so I
have to move the menu to another position. This also would happen on a
NeXTSTEP system, because is how they designed the architecture of their
DE. I'm sorry, but I don't like at all this design, it's also something
about tastes, but it is also something about "functionality" if you also
think about the Apps' icons; but I repeat, fortunately GNUstep supports
3 different menu styles, and reading the Richard slides is also possible
to write an own one. Think that on my laptop, 3 windows are sufficient
to fill all the screen, add the menus and the relative App's icons on
the right of the screen and the dock, using NeXT style and wmaker.
@Adam,
As I said, I tried to put togheter the people, without so much success,
maybe because I'm young to the project, maybe because someone think I'm
just saying stupid and useless things, maybe because I never committed
code directly to the GNUstep svn, I just wrote a theme that each time is
seen the reaction is "WoW" for GNUstep, it needs to be polished, it will
be. I started a thread about NSCollectionView, and in that thread 1 of
the most common GNUstep problem (about 8 years problem) was solved. In
that thread Fred solved, coding, a problem with Cocoa NSCollectionView
compatibility, and I helped with testing on both platforms, Cocoa and
GNUStep. Now you can write an application on Cocoa using
NSCollectionView (and bindings) and then port it to GNUstep doing very
few changes to the code. Then another problem comes out, and it is a bit
heavy, with just 31 subelements, they will overlaps. This is much
probably a -back problem related to cairo/X11 (I should investigate to
be more precise). In this period of vacation I'm thinking to work on
this bad problem, but I'll need help and I hope to obtain help.
The rik theme is not quite polished, but it works well or at least not
so bad; GNUstep actually needs more love than my theme, and this is a fact.
Why I say this? Because if you want to build an OS using GNUstep you
have to know that you will need to work on GNUstep, as Riccardo and
David have said about incompleteness, and with this point I agree with
them. But I'm happy with this project, piStep or piOs whatever is the
name, because it could be useful to the GNUstep-core code. I hope
GNUstep will receive back code, patches and implementations of new code
where needed.
@Adam, If you want to help me you are welcome too.
Sooner or later I will offer my support again to Fred with Wayland, I
just hope to finish to read the freedesktop standard (EWMH and ICCCM)
Il 29/11/2015 23:01, Adam S ha scritto:
Guys,
These ideas are great but you need to "act". If you feel strongly
about a theme, application or whatever then get out there, find other
interested people and put a team together.
Put this energy into doing instead of describing.
Adam.
On Nov 29, 2015 9:51 PM, "Riccardo Mottola"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
Gregory Casamento wrote:
I would very much like to see our interface changed to something
everyone can be in love with. This is only good for the project.
Our out of the box experience with users SUCKS ROCKS and this is
something we need to think about.
I agree on that statement! the problem is that the whole thread
here shows that nobody here agrees with the other one on how to
improve it. Some say look, some say application, some say
configuration tools, some want this, that, whatever.
Thus, well, for sure we can improve our applications, our
preferences and our theming capabilities and support so that we
can make more people happy. And also a way to set these as a default.
And, to be honest, I am working extremely hard on this night and
day in the past years and other like Richard and Fred helped
mightly on the core side.
I have never liked Jesse's theme. You do. The only solution is
that you can run it easily and without issues.
Somebody wants the Tango theme? Activating it shall be one click.
Gael or Adam want a clean classic theme? Fine too... and we all
know that even our default theme is lacking.
For Gnome-like theme it will be never as perfect, but it shouldn't
be hard either.
Everybody wants improved and more applications.
After all, the experience is the sum of all that: "applications"
which have a "feel" and have a "look". The experience is a sum of
all that. Since we lack a bit on everything, but especially on the
application and smoothness side, the rest becomes more evident too.
Riccardo
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