I'd be happy to talk a bit about producing a new GS-optimized WM over a real-time medium.
If you use XMPP, my JID is the same as the email address I'm mailing this from. I also use Hangouts. Let me know privately if you'd like to spend a bit chatting/video-calling about this. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, 09:37 Alessandro Sangiuliano <[email protected]> wrote: > @Adam, > > Is what, most of the time do! > I don't like grayscale theme, so I wrote a new theme with another person, > based on OS X. It also is a way to show GNUstep potential. > I received contribution on the art side (icons and others) by Bertrand > Deckoninck. So, I put togheter some people with the theme. Unfortunately > the person who had the idea, RC, to write a theme based on OS X left the > project, because lost the interest actually (and I know why), so I'm the > only maintainer, developer and active author of the theme. > > I used, and tolerated, window maker with GNUstep for years. WMaker > occupies a lot of my laptop screen with its giant icons everywhere, I don't > like it so much, so I started to write a new window manager, GNUstep > optimized, using GNUstep and Objective-C. The tdevelopment will be not > fast, because I had no knowledge about X11 and windowing system in general, > so I had to study how X11 works, and there are so many API and standard to > support with X, that working in my free time, make the development slow. I > asked for help, I received support from Fred, where we also spoken about > Wayland, where I offered my support as I can. Fred supported me, but I > expected support from other and more people, I know they "played" with X11 > more then me; for e.g a little help on supporting EWMH/ICCM will be very > nice (or I have to do it alone reading tons of docs and code from others > WMs). But then I read many people on the mailing list that want a Window > Manger written in Objective-C and GNUstep, it's a bit frustrating... but > I'm not here to do flame or similar things, maybe they don't like my > project. > > @Riccardo, @Adam: > > Riccardo, fortunately GNUstep supports 3 different styles for the Menus, I > think I expressed bad my problem. The Menus appears when I click on the > relative App's window, so they are working as expected; but if I have 10 > windows on the screen, organized to fill all the screen, as a tiled window > manager does, when I will click on an App's window, the relative menu have > to appear somewhere, but the screen is filled so it will overlaps a window > of another App that I probably need to read, so I have to move the menu to > another position. This also would happen on a NeXTSTEP system, because is > how they designed the architecture of their DE. I'm sorry, but I don't like > at all this design, it's also something about tastes, but it is also > something about "functionality" if you also think about the Apps' icons; > but I repeat, fortunately GNUstep supports 3 different menu styles, and > reading the Richard slides is also possible to write an own one. Think that > on my laptop, 3 windows are sufficient to fill all the screen, add the > menus and the relative App's icons on the right of the screen and the dock, > using NeXT style and wmaker. > > @Adam, > As I said, I tried to put togheter the people, without so much success, > maybe because I'm young to the project, maybe because someone think I'm > just saying stupid and useless things, maybe because I never committed code > directly to the GNUstep svn, I just wrote a theme that each time is seen > the reaction is "WoW" for GNUstep, it needs to be polished, it will be. I > started a thread about NSCollectionView, and in that thread 1 of the most > common GNUstep problem (about 8 years problem) was solved. In that thread > Fred solved, coding, a problem with Cocoa NSCollectionView compatibility, > and I helped with testing on both platforms, Cocoa and GNUStep. Now you can > write an application on Cocoa using NSCollectionView (and bindings) and > then port it to GNUstep doing very few changes to the code. Then another > problem comes out, and it is a bit heavy, with just 31 subelements, they > will overlaps. This is much probably a -back problem related to cairo/X11 > (I should investigate to be more precise). In this period of vacation I'm > thinking to work on this bad problem, but I'll need help and I hope to > obtain help. > > The rik theme is not quite polished, but it works well or at least not so > bad; GNUstep actually needs more love than my theme, and this is a fact. > Why I say this? Because if you want to build an OS using GNUstep you have > to know that you will need to work on GNUstep, as Riccardo and David have > said about incompleteness, and with this point I agree with them. But I'm > happy with this project, piStep or piOs whatever is the name, because it > could be useful to the GNUstep-core code. I hope GNUstep will receive back > code, patches and implementations of new code where needed. > > @Adam, If you want to help me you are welcome too. > > Sooner or later I will offer my support again to Fred with Wayland, I just > hope to finish to read the freedesktop standard (EWMH and ICCCM) > > > Il 29/11/2015 23:01, Adam S ha scritto: > > Guys, > > These ideas are great but you need to "act". If you feel strongly about a > theme, application or whatever then get out there, find other interested > people and put a team together. > > Put this energy into doing instead of describing. > > Adam. > On Nov 29, 2015 9:51 PM, "Riccardo Mottola" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> Gregory Casamento wrote: >> >>> I would very much like to see our interface changed to something >>> everyone can be in love with. This is only good for the project. >>> Our out of the box experience with users SUCKS ROCKS and this is >>> something we need to think about. >>> >> >> I agree on that statement! the problem is that the whole thread here >> shows that nobody here agrees with the other one on how to improve it. Some >> say look, some say application, some say configuration tools, some want >> this, that, whatever. >> >> Thus, well, for sure we can improve our applications, our preferences and >> our theming capabilities and support so that we can make more people happy. >> And also a way to set these as a default. >> >> And, to be honest, I am working extremely hard on this night and day in >> the past years and other like Richard and Fred helped mightly on the core >> side. >> >> I have never liked Jesse's theme. You do. The only solution is that you >> can run it easily and without issues. >> Somebody wants the Tango theme? Activating it shall be one click. >> Gael or Adam want a clean classic theme? Fine too... and we all know that >> even our default theme is lacking. >> For Gnome-like theme it will be never as perfect, but it shouldn't be >> hard either. >> >> Everybody wants improved and more applications. >> >> After all, the experience is the sum of all that: "applications" which >> have a "feel" and have a "look". The experience is a sum of all that. Since >> we lack a bit on everything, but especially on the application and >> smoothness side, the rest becomes more evident too. >> >> Riccardo >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing > [email protected]https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > > I not quoted all emails I answered to be more concise. > > Alex. > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep >
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