For your reference, records indicate that Dan Hitt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Absolutely --- an entire OS which you just install on some partition > of a gpt disk > would be perfect, imvho. > > I would certainly download and use it. For what? I mainly use a Mac, but I have a number of images for virtual machines that I run for specific purposes. If GNUstep is going to bother with the efforts of building an entire OS/distribution around itself, it needs to explicitly state *why* that is important to the project. > And, to me, it would be infinitely preferable to a piece of middleware. Having an OS doesn’t eliminate the need to support Cocoa as “middleware”. People aren’t going to bother with a custom OS if there are no apps that make it worth running. > But the guys who are developing it rightfully have the choice of what > to develop, > and it is their exclusive decision on how to invest their time. Sure, but the GNUstep project needs a vision/mission statement that is independent of those individuals. There have been *thousands* of developers that have taken an interest in ObjC thanks to the success of iOS, and GNUstep has done *nothing* to appeal to them. > So in my opinion, trying to hit a moving target (Mac) while wanting to > run on all kinds of platforms (including Windows) is much too ambitious. > Doing one job well seems much more in reach. I agree. Pick a platform as the main focus; it need not be a custom OS. Get software written/ported that is so useful that people want to run it on other platforms. *Then* you worry about all those niche markets. > However, those that are doing the work get to call the shots, and > everyone else, including me, is a whiner (to paraphrase Torvalds just a > little). I’m sure a lot of people are like me: I’d be doing more work if GNUstep had a more sensible vision. And fewer brogrammers; I don’t even like to work with jerks when I’m being paid. > So thanks all you gnustep developers for what you've done, Indeed. I’ve been thankful for 20 years, back when I couldn’t afford a developer license from NeXT (what was it, $5k?). Even then, the GNUstep Foundation framework on my 486 laptop running Slackware (Linux was at 0.99.4 at the time, I think) was already everything I needed to bootstrap my software up to seeing how useful ObjC was for my work. But the world has been changing, and I haven’t seen the message of the GNUstep project changing along with it. Apple pushing Swift now means a decline in a boom that GNUstep never took advantage of. Yet I still don’t see any serious discussions on these topics. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
