Thom's video clearly demonstrates our experience out of the box on Windows with the current installer sucks.
On Wednesday, February 17, 2016, Riccardo Mottola < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I appreciate your "interest" but not the way you are expressing it. Just a > disclaimer "this is constructive critics" isn't enough. sorry. > > Thom Cherryhomes wrote: > >> Hello, Everyone. It has been a very long time since I last posted here. >> >> I have been a long time friend of Greg, and we've been talking about >> GNUstep for many years. I have also been a passive viewer of the GNUstep >> mailing lists. >> > > It is not always the best of us. > > >> As some of you know, I, like Greg am a professional software developer, >> and massive fan of GNUstep, and its relationship with Cocoa, etc. I love >> what GNUstep potentially could be, the most elegant of all of the free >> software toolkits. >> > > I can say the same of myself. > Not only, I also develop several windows programs using GNUstep and did > port applications to GNUstep+mingw just to prove it can be done > > >> It is from this love, that I am producing a series of disruptive >> critiques of GNUstep's corrent state, the first of which, is the current >> state of GNUstep development viability on Windows. I do not pull punches, >> and I may make a lot of you mad, but it is all for the intention of >> bringing to light, things that need to be addressed, as I believe this >> community has become that deadly combination of insular, and comfortable >> with the system in its current state. I can speak from experience: this >> puts a project in a state of stagnation, which can be very difficult to >> pull itself out of. I deliberately am doing this from the perspective of an >> outsider, coming into the project, unaware of the various band-aids applied >> to make things function, with a view to constructively point out, what >> needs to be done, and in future videos, how it can be done. >> >> Above all, the intent is to stimulate contemplation, self reflection, and >> discussion of these issues. >> >> > Well, a video? should I go and watch 35 minutes of "oops" or "whoops, this > is a big no" and "oh, this is kills the whole point"... blabla. > I skimmed through about 50% of it and will be very harsh. A video? no > thanks. > > Most of the things you point out are well known by me and possibly by > others. Some of these are even fixed in the current, not yet released, > branch. > This video helps nothing. I know about all the problems you point out. > > You have three categories of problems: > 1) Problems in GNUstep itself which will exist on a classic Linux > environment > 2) Problems specific to Windows > 3) Problems specific to using the WinUX theme (which, I continue to say > until I have breath, is not usable generally but only in specific cases) > > Problems may be bugs > > Now, I absolutely have no need to watch your videos to know about these > issues also because all of those I have seen in the video are well known to > me and several are documented in our bug tracker. > > What is needed? > True bug reports and true patches and help in resolution. > > As the harsh people on OpenBSD would say "where is your code? "where are > your patches?" > > There is no stagnation: the flow of improvement is constant. It is however > slow and certain issues never get tacked because they are bigger or because > there is no "one right solution". > Check here: > https://www.openhub.net/p/gnustep/commits/summary > > slow, but steady! > > So.. save your time with more videos and instead... try to track down the > issues and perhaps suggest how to solve them > Do the same thing you are doing without the WinUX theme. Do the same thing > on Linux/BSD. Does the error persist? report a bug. Suggest a solution, > offer a patch. > > If you really feel like a movie director, do constructive videos about how > to get things done, it is far more useful for the community. > I don't think people will watch your videos and "flock in masses" here on > GNUstep with high-quality fixes. > If they really watch a bit those videos, at most we get some more negative > advertising. > > > Riccardo > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > -- Gregory Casamento GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com http://ind.ie/phoenix/
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