On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Gregory Casamento <[email protected] > wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 09:28 Sergii Stoian <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Gregory Casamento < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In addition to David’s comments I need to add that using images and >>> icons from openstep and nextstep is tempting fate. >>> >>> You're definitely right. I will remove images and icons after project is >> noticed. >> But it's a problem of GNUstep project. >> > > It is not. > > Fine. > Nobody wants to create icons and images for GNUstep. Maybe somebody want >> to replace openstep icons keeping style? >> > > GNUstep doesn’t use any OpenStep or NeXT icons. We do in the style of > NeXT but we don’t take the icons directly. If you can identify any > instances in GNUstep where this has occurred please report them and I will, > personally, delete them from the project. > > GNUstep has no OPENSTEP icons and images. No problem. > All of the icons we use were designed by Jesse Ross and others. > > GNUstep has set of OPENSTEP-style icons. I just don't like them. It's something personal. NEXTSPACE is my personal project. There's no problem for GNUstep. Correct me if I'm wrong. It is reference design: clear, moderate, stylish. It is something people >> can try to use never touching NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP before. Screenshots is a >> 10% of OPENSTEP user experience. Other things become noticed after some >> period of using application. That's why I did it. I failed to find more >> elegant way to return interest to GNUstep. I guess when project started >> (1996, right?) all of this was obvious because people know what OPENSTEP is >> (use it, devleloped for it). Now all of these things are misty a bit. >> > > This is part of the problem. People also wrongly associate GNUstep only > with openstep after so many years because of the name. > > Quite often people make opinion about underlying libraries using applications or desktop environments (Qt/KDE, GTK/GNOME). If someone wants to change people's GNUstep perception he need to create applications and/or environment with respective look and feel. I like NeXT's look and feel. That's why I'm creating NEXTSPACE. Excume me for being so talkative. It's IMHO. I'd rather code something >> useful. ;) >> > > Code is important, but so are the concerns raised here. > > I agree with you. > >> GC >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:22 David Chisnall <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 27 Nov 2017, at 22:58, Sergii Stoian <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi David, >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:57 PM, David Chisnall <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > This looks very nice, but a few comments: >>>> > >>>> > - Apple still owns the NeXT trademark, so be careful about using NEXT >>>> in the name. >>>> > >>>> > I think it is exactly the "NeXT" right? Not "Next" or "NEXT”. >>>> >>>> I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice: >>>> >>>> Trademark law depends a lot on the notion of ‘passing off’, i.e. using >>>> a variation of a trademark in such a way that it may cause confusion. For >>>> example, Mr MacDonald’s Restaurant may or may not infringe the McDonald’s >>>> trademark, but if it uses a big yellow M as its logo (even in a different >>>> typeface) then it probably will. >>>> >>>> Apple is generally quite aggressive about defending trademarks, so it’s >>>> probably better not to risk it - even if you’re right, the cost of >>>> defending an infringement suit in the US may run to millions of dollars. >>>> >>>> > - NeXT used the NX prefix (NS = NeXT + Sun, NX = NeXT), so using it >>>> as your prefix is confusing. >>>> > >>>> > Yes I know that. Do you think it's a copyright issue? >>>> >>>> It’s not a copyright issue (Google vs Oracle notwithstanding), it’s a >>>> confusion issue. I saw the headers and thought they were implementations >>>> of pre-OpenStep NeXT classes, but then I looked more closely and they don’t >>>> appear to be. >>>> >>>> > - Please don’t put big RPMs in the repo! It adds overhead to anyone >>>> who clones it, and GitHub has a perfectly adequate Downloads facility for >>>> hosting these. >>>> > >>>> > - It would be easier to package (and to collaborate) if these were >>>> separate GitHub repos. >>>> > I've switched to the github a couple of weeks ago and don't know all >>>> of the github features. Can you help me to place RPMs outside of code on >>>> github? >>>> >>>> Sure. If you click on the ‘0 releases’ line at the top of the page, >>>> you’ll got to a page that has a ‘draft a new release’ button. From here, >>>> you can generate a release associated with a tag and upload any binary >>>> versions (e.g. the RPMs). >>>> >>>> Note that this will work better if you split the repo into different >>>> projects, because then it’s easy to do the releases independently. >>>> >>>> This also helps packagers for other systems. For example, on FreeBSD >>>> if I am the maintainer of a a port then portscout will send me an email if >>>> there’s a new release automatically. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep >>>> >>> -- >>> Gregory Casamento >>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant >>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com >>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/ >>> >> >> -- >> Sergii Stoian, ProjectCenter maintainer >> > -- > Gregory Casamento > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant > http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com > http://ind.ie/phoenix/ > -- Sergii Stoian, ProjectCenter maintainer
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