James,

Network settings section is in TODO of Preferences.app. Other things you've 
mentioned are not in my plan currently.

> On 19 Nov 2019, at 14:16, James Carthew <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I've been toying with NextSpace in a VM. From my experience, if this gains a 
> web browser and network settings panel (mostly for Wifi config), (and gets 
> Debian packages) it could easily replace Mate on my machines. Linux desktop 
> application development is terrible at the moment. GNUstep may not be the 
> right answer for me, but I'm open to at least exploring it. 
> NSMacintoshMenuStyle works in NextSpace, and I had Rik.theme built/working 
> properly. I was hoping to get Etoile WildMenus running as well but ran out of 
> time. NextSpace is definitely moving in the right direction. I think the 
> focus on System settings is definitely the way to go. As someone who would 
> like to get a mac-like desktop out of this eventually I'd like to see some of 
> the options ported into SystemPreferences.app just because it's a more 
> mac-like application. But I like how NextSpace has the look/feel of NextStep, 
> definitely keep it up. I know the ideal would be to port webkit to gnustep 
> but at this point I'd be happy to just throw firefox into a gnustep window 
> with an application menu.
> 
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 22:49, Ivan Vučica <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 23:40 Sergii Stoian <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Plus themes support bloats the GNUstep codebase. I understand that the 
> initial idea was to attract more users/developers, but… It’s not working.
> 
> Have you guessed why it's not working?
> 
> Users who would be attracted by a different theme are not aware there are 
> different themes or how to set them up.
> 
> A solution is to ship a "gnustep-recommended-config" package as a Recommends 
> of the libgnustep-gui package. Speaking in Debian terms; same goes for other 
> OSes.
> 
> This package would pull in a theme and a systemwide plist configuring a 
> modernized theme etc.
> 
> Today, if a KDE user born in 2001 installs a GNUstep program (they may not 
> care about the rest of the environment), the UI is totally out of sync with 
> their expectations. And if they go through the effort to explore an entire 
> environment, they get greeted by the 90s — whether they want it or not.
> 
> Am I misreading expectations of a prospective user?
> 
> I mean, these are my expectations, and I'm born in the late 80s. I love e.g. 
> System 7 look. NEXT look is decent to me (but just decent). I'm personally 
> around for the programming language and the frameworks, not for the default 
> theme.
> 
> Nextspace seems cool and I should get around to trying it out.

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