Hi all, My 2 cents: market it as Cocoa / DevToolkit.
Make the “Hero” element on the webpage a “Hello World” style program with a link tk download it. (Sidenote-would add an automatically installed helper tool such as `gsteprun` which will compile and run a 1-file program that does not need a Makefile. Right below link to a “Hello World” GUI version. The Distribuition is a big cherry on top which to my eye, distracts from the power offered by the DevKit. This is the best DevKit. Not sure how many of you use GNUstep as a daily driver—but I don’t see myself using the app environment as my daily anytime soon. I think there are more people like me out there. When and if the time comes I could switch—but far more people will come to the project if the toolkit is put front and center. Cocoa is the bicycle for the mind. G On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > Graham, > > I have to admit to being very happy that many people have changed their minds > about GNUstep, but this subject... HelloSystem actually has me pretty > irritated. > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 10:23 AM Graham Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> *From: * Riccardo Mottola <[email protected]> >> * To: * Liam Proven <[email protected]>, discuss-gnustep >> <[email protected]> >> * Sent: * 14/12/2021 3:29 PM >> * Subject: * Re: GNUstep on Hackernews >> >>> >>> They evaluated us and discarded GNUstep on what basis? I had no >>> interaction with any of them nor did i see things on the mailing list. >>> >> The hello system thing was preceded by Livestep, which was fully GNUstep >> based and which Steven and I almost used as the basis for the [objc retain]; >> stream before switching to Debian. The design rationale for hello describes >> Qt as a pragmatic choice for UI toolkit while GNUstep "doesn't really leap >> forward into the present time" >> https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/wiki/Welcome-and-unwelcome-technologies. > > Just like every other project they seem to dismiss us without actually > speaking to any of us. I have posted a question asking why none of us were > consulted and requested that they remove the remark from their wiki. I am > appalled that they didn't even bother. What does "leap into the present > time" even mean. > >>> >> >> That's one of those frustrating ideas that is probably part perception and >> part reality (probono did after all make a full GNUstep live image and >> worked on PureDarwin so has reached this conclusion from a position of some >> experience) but that doesn't have enough information to resolve. _What_ does >> a "present time" Cocoa reimplementation have, or look like, that GNUstep >> lacks? > > Indeed. I remember LiveStep https://github.com/probonopd/LIVEstep > > It seems to look okay, so what was the problem?! > >> Does GNUstep actually lack that? We could ask him…I doubt to change his mind >> back to adopting GNUstep, but to see where what we have and what others want >> can come together. >> > > SMDH > > >> >> Cheers, >> Graham. > > > -- > Gregory Casamento > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant > http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com > https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron > https://gf.me/u/x8m3sx - My GNUstep GoFundMe > https://teespring.com/stores/gnustep - Store
