Gustavo, On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 1:00 PM Gustavo Tavares <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi all, > > My 2 cents: market it as Cocoa / DevToolkit. > GNUstep is already presented in this fashion. > Make the “Hero” element on the webpage a “Hello World” style program with > a link tk download it. (Sidenote-would add an automatically installed > helper tool such as `gsteprun` which will compile and run a 1-file program > that does not need a Makefile. > Good idea. > Right below link to a “Hello World” GUI version. > The Distribuition is a big cherry on top which to my eye, distracts from > the power offered by the DevKit. > Right now there is no distro. > This is the best DevKit. > > I agree. :) (how can I not?) > Not sure how many of you use GNUstep as a daily driver—but I don’t see > myself using the app environment as my daily anytime soon. I think there > are more people like me out there. When and if the time comes I could > switch—but far more people will come to the project if the toolkit is put > front and center. > > Cocoa is the bicycle for the mind. > > G > > > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > > Graham, > > I have to admit to being very happy that many people have changed their > minds about GNUstep, but this subject... HelloSystem actually has me pretty > irritated. > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 10:23 AM Graham Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > *From: * Riccardo Mottola <[email protected]> > * To: * Liam Proven <[email protected]>, discuss-gnustep < > [email protected]> > * Sent: * 14/12/2021 3:29 PM > * Subject: * Re: GNUstep on Hackernews > > > They evaluated us and discarded GNUstep on what basis? I had no > interaction with any of them nor did i see things on the mailing list. > > > The hello system thing was preceded by Livestep, which was fully GNUstep > based and which Steven and I almost used as the basis for the [objc > retain]; stream before switching to Debian. The design rationale for hello > describes Qt as a pragmatic choice for UI toolkit while GNUstep "doesn't > really leap forward into the present time" > https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/wiki/Welcome-and-unwelcome-technologies > . > > > Just like every other project they seem to dismiss us without actually > speaking to any of us. I have posted a question asking why none of us > were consulted and requested that they remove the remark from their wiki. > I am appalled that they didn't even bother. What does "leap into the > present time" even mean. > > > > That's one of those frustrating ideas that is probably part perception and > part reality (probono did after all make a full GNUstep live image and > worked on PureDarwin so has reached this conclusion from a position of some > experience) but that doesn't have enough information to resolve. _What_ > does a "present time" Cocoa reimplementation have, or look like, that > GNUstep lacks? > > > Indeed. I remember LiveStep https://github.com/probonopd/LIVEstep > > It seems to look okay, so what was the problem?! > > > Does GNUstep actually lack that? We could ask him…I doubt to change his > mind back to adopting GNUstep, but to see where what we have and what > others want can come together. > > > SMDH > > > > > Cheers, > Graham. > > > > -- > Gregory Casamento > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant > http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com > https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron > https://gf.me/u/x8m3sx - My GNUstep GoFundMe > https://teespring.com/stores/gnustep - Store > > > -- Gregory Casamento GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron https://gf.me/u/x8m3sx - My GNUstep GoFundMe https://teespring.com/stores/gnustep - Store
