Aw: Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 260, Issue 23

Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:31:25 -0700

Hi Sergij,
 
OK. That means at the end contrary to all the other window managers with XORG or wayland who peacefully coexist you have a figth with GSDE or wmaker about the rule of GNUstep
according to the principle: There can only be one.
 
How many people are programming on Gnome, Mint, KDE etc. and how many on GNUstep?
I doubt that Apple and M$ have only 20 programmers and the rest of the hundreds of thousend employees are controllers.
 
Is that good for the user who tries to find out the best fitting environment for himself?
I can switch between XFCE, gnome etc. trouble-free but the 3 one for GNUstep will damage each other?
 
Wouldn´t it be better to act with the object orientation method? Why not make a deal with the other one to clear what are the commonalities and how to handle?
Maybe you outsource the framework topic into a, I don't know, framework manager (like git ;-) ) where Nextspace, GSDE, Wmaker store their equal and different back ground libraries
and switching will be managed with a preference list? So you could test and try?
 
Best regards
 
 
Thomas
 
 
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Juli 2024 um 00:45 Uhr
Von: "Sergii Stoian" <[email protected]>
An: "Thomas Heckert" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 260, Issue 23
Hi Thomas,
 
On 19 Jul 2024, at 23:06, Thomas Heckert <[email protected]> wrote:
 
Hi Sergij,
 
sounds good. I run your installation script for Debian 12 to see how Nextspace works but it stops with the failure message that debian-12.deps.sh wasn't found.
 
Yes that’s my fault. I’ve reuploaded .tgz with all files needed.
 
I can´t find this script in the folder.
Do I understand it right that your installationscript will kill GSDE as in your script you create the folder structure Apps, Developer etc. with the usual GNUstep apps and add a new user?
 
Generally it’s a bad idea to mix GSDE and NextSpace installation because GSDE uses NextSpace frameworks which may interfere in a bad way.
It’s better to remove GSDE components completely and install NextSpace after that.
Adding user is an optional step and would be useful on cleanly installed system.
 
 
Thomas
 
 
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juli 2024 um 14:27 Uhr
Von: "Sergii Stoian" <[email protected]>
An: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 260, Issue 23
Hi Thomas,
 
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 11:18 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sergij,
 
as far as I know, Ondrej forked  wmaker 0.95.9. Maybe I am wrong.
 
But anyway. As Riccardo adviced I think it would be a good idea to bring the people who are working on the different window managers (NextSpace, GS-wmaker, wmaker)
together to focus/concentrate and increase the speed of development and avoid unnecessary effort to improve the code.
 
It's a good idea. Although NextSpace doesn't use WindowMaker. It uses some code from WindowMaker: window management, Dock, icons. Everything else: event and configuration management, notifications, data structures is based on Apple CoreFoundation. There's no WINGs graphical elements anymore (except titlebars, resizebars and menus) - GNUstep used for this. So Workspace is quite different to WindowMaker. Workspace and Window Manager tight integration has advantages: user can drag and drop FileViewer appicons into the Dock and application will be docked, application launching/stopping can be tracked from both sides (Xlib events and GNUstep notifications), window manager can get AppKit notifications through the Appkit<->CoreFoundation bridge and so on.
Simple example: I've implemented "Hide All" in Workspace using NSNotification that catched by Window Manager without touching GNUstep Back part, as well as "Zoom" and "Shade" in Window submenu items.
 
So speaking in context of GNUstep application integration with window manager, Workspace is superior to WindowMaker.
 
So for instance I found that in GSDE a new created Drawer loses the information of the Application path and arguments after a restart.
The Drawer uses the middle-click method of a (standard) terminal to copy paste when you editing the settings not the #c + #v.
And the Drawer has to be started with middle-click instead of double left-click , maybe I start a standard Debian app? Where to change this?
 
 
Workspace doesn't have Drawers and Clip because I don't like it from a design point of view. So I can't help to solve this problem, sorry.
 
 
Thomas
 
 
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juli 2024 um 00:39 Uhr
Von: "Sergii Stoian" <[email protected]>
An: "Tom Sheffler" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 260, Issue 23
Hi Tom,

> On 18 Jul 2024, at 19:56, Tom Sheffler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Sergii -
>
> this is very exciting and I will try it out.
>
> I’m currently using onflapp/gs-desktop on a regular basis. Running GNUstep applications in a full GS desktop environment let’s them shine!
>
> Curious though, what is the relationship between gs-desktop and NextSpace? They seem to be addressing similar things. Or are they? I’m truly curious, and may be wrong that they have similar goals.

As far as I know GSDE uses NextSpace code forked at some point with improvements to Preferences and some frameworks.

> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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>> I'm pleased to announce the new NextSpace release - 0.95.
>> This release introduces:
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>> - Numerous of bugfixes across the entire project;
>> - Serious reengineering of Workspace and Window Manager including:
>> - switch to Apple's CoreFoundation for internal data structures;
>> - event handling of Window Manager was implemented with CFRunLoop,
>> CFFileDescriptor and CFNotificationCenter;
>> - use XML for configuration files;
>> - implemented notification interoperability between Objective C and C
>> (external GNUstep applications may send notifications to Window Manager);
>> - improved drag and drop between File Viewer and Dock;
>> - implemented Cut/Copy/Paste operations for files and directories.
>> - Feature completion of Terminal application, including:
>> - unlimited scrollback buffer support;
>> - process tracking (Activity Monitor), display running program in
>> titlebar;
>> - miniwindow animation representing activity in minimized window;
>> - automatic hide/show of mouse cursor.
>> - Workspace tracks for applications and services installation/removal,
>> updates files in ~/Library/Services;
>> - Greatly improved scripts to build and install project from sources -
>> tested on Fedora, Ubuntu 22 and Debian 12.
>>
>> Look into changelog
>> <https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace/blob/master/Documentation/Changelog-0.95.md>
>> for details.
>>
>> This release was built for 3 distributions of RedHat family: CentOS 7,
>> Debian 12, Ubuntu 22.04, Fedora 39. Download it from:
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